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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 5:39 pm

Peach and all her greatness goes here, discuss her attacks and strategies.

Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 3:50 pm

Some Peach basics: (aside from general L-cancel etc.)

Double Jump cancel: The first thing you need to understand to play a good Peach is how use her DJC; basically you can interrupt her second jump with a move. This leads to faster nair out of shield (usually better punishment than shieldgrab) or it can be used to get in closer for that uair or nair.
Also, if you hold a direction while you do the double jump she has a twirl at the beginning which allows you to sort of move in any direction you want, so you can do a fade-away or you can get up close really fast (crucial for uair), you can even use this for airdodge and do a wavedash upon landing for spacing.

Double Jump Land: Remeber the twirl? If you do the second jump within 4 frames of the 1st jump you won't go anywhere, the double jump actually lowers a little allowing you to land afterwards. (This is the fastest way to do anything other than grab out of shield).

Float Cancel: The bread and butter of Peach play. Quite simple really. Do a float near the ground, do an aerial while floating, stop floating and hit the ground before the aerial ends (fastfall usually). That's it, now instead of the regular lag (around 7-10 frames) you end up with 4 frames of lag. That's right, the same animation as a regular landing animation; this can give you frame advantage because the shield stun from your aerial is usually longer than your recovery time.

Grabs: Her grab range is speed is all pretty average, so jump cancelled grabs are typically what to do, however, running grabs are important too.

Upthrow: destroys fastfallers, leads to downsmash after about 10%, leads to chain throw at about 50%. Chain throw ends at about 100%. Not much of an option on floaties.

Downthrow: techchasing for fastfallers, can combo sometimes on the rest.

Fthrow: kills at the edge of FD at 80% with no DI, great throw.

Back throw: does 1% more damage than the others, good for throwing them off the edge, not much else usually.

IASA dair: during dair (most aerials infact) you cancel it into another move. For dair it's at the end of the last kick. You can drop a turnip or go into an aerial. If they crouch cancel they usually can shield the aerial.
Other uses for dair include edguarding (float right at the lip of the edge, her hitboxes are pretty big). Usually works on fastfallers only.

typically good Peach stages:
Dreamland 64
Final Destination
Mute City

In general, you want a high ceiling to prevent vertical KO (she's floaty), and some space on the sides. Avoid Green Greens, it has low ceiling and short sides. If I think of any other dstages ot avoid I'll say (other than the banned stages).

What seperates a truly good Peach from the rest is DI, proper DI makes her escape combos and live really long.

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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 3:53 pm

PEACH FRAME DATA

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by SuperDoodleMan

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Slap 1

Total frames: 19
Hit frames: 2-3

Shield stun: 6
Shield hit lag: 3
Advantage: -14
Slap 2 advantage: -6

Window of the second slap: 3-25
Second slap starts: 10 (or later)
IASA: 16
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Slap 2

Total frames: 20
Hit frames: 3-4
IASA: 17

Shield stun: 4
Shield hit lag: 2
Advantage: -11
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F Tilt

Total: 41
Hit: 6-13
IASA: 37

Shield stun: 13
Shield hit lag: 6
Advantage: -23
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D Tilt

Total: 27
Hit: 12-13
IASA: 26

Shield stun: 13
Shield hit lag: 6
Advantage: -8
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U Tilt

Total: 39
Hit: 9-13
Head Invincible: 9-12
IASA: 37

Shield stun: 13
Shield hit lag: 6
Advantage: -16_-20
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Dash attack

Total: 37
Hit: 6-20
IASA: 36

--First part--
Shield stun: 13
Shield hit lag: 6
Advantage: -22

--weak part--
Shield stun: 9
Shield hit lag: 4
Advantage: -17
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F smash

Total: 47
Hit: 15-18
Charge frame: 8
IASA: 40

Shield stun: 16
Shield hit lag: 7
Advantage: -14_-11
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U smash

Total: 44
Hit: 13-22
Charge frame: 10
Head and arms invulnerable: 13-22

--regular--
Shield stun: 16
Shield hit lag: 7
Advantage: -23

--sour spot--
Shield stun: 9
Shield hit lag: 4
Advantage: -26
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D smash

Total: 39
Hit: 5-6, 9-10, 13-14, 17-18, 21-22
Charge frame: 3
Legs invincible: 3-24

Shield stun: 7
Shield hit lag: 6
Advantage (last hit): 17
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N-Air

Total: 49
Hit: 3-23
IASA: 42
Auto cancel: <2 36>
Landlag: 17
Lcanceled: 8

--strong hit--
Shield stun: 14
Shield hit lag: 6
Advantage: 0
Advantage float cancelled: +4

--weak hit--
Shield stun: 11
Shield hit lag: 5
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U-Air

Total: 35
Hit: 7-11
IASA: 34
Auto cancel: <6 22>
Landlag: 15
Lcanceled: 7

Shield stun: 14
Shield hit lag: 6
Advantage: +1
Advantage float cancelled: +4
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B-Air

Total: 44
Hit: 6-22
IASA: 38
Auto cancel: <4 23>
Landlag: 15
Lcanceled: 7

--Strong butt--
Shield stun: 14
Shield hit lag: 6
Advantage: +1
Advantage float cancelled: +4

--weak butt--
Shield stun: 11
Shield hit lag: 5
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D-Air

Total: 39
Hit: 12-13, 18-19, 24-25, 30-31
IASA: 36
Auto cancel: <11 36>
Landlag: 15
Lcanceled: 7

Shield stun: 6
Shield hit lag: 3
Advantage: -4
Advantage float cancelled: -1
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F-Air

Total: 54
Hit: 16-20
IASA: 51
Auto cancel: <15 39>
Landlag: 25
Lcanceled: 12

Shield stun: 15
Shield hit lag: 7
Advantage: -4
Advantage float cancelled: +4
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Grab

Total: 30
Grab: 7-8
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Running grab

Total: 40
Grab: 7-8
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Ledge attack <100%

Total: 54
Hit: 10-14
Invincible: 1-6

Shield stun: 8
Shield hit lag: 4
Advantage: -40_-36
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Ledge attack 100%>

Total: 69
Invincible: 1-40
Hit: 44-47

Shield stun: 11
Shield hit lag: 5
Advantage: -19
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Ledge roll <100%

Total: 50
Invincible: 1-39
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Ledge roll 100%>

Total: 79
Invulnerable: 1-64
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Ledge jump <100%

Total: 38
Invincible: 1-10
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Ledge jump 100%>

Total: 48
Invincible: 1-20
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Ledge stand <100%

Total: 32
Invincible: 1-30
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Ledge stand 100%>

Total: 59
invulnerable: 1-55
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get up from the ground

Total: 30
Invincible: 1-20
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Roll from the ground

Total: 35
Invulnerable: 1-19
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standup attack A from facedown

Total: 49
Hit: 17-18, 25-26
Invincible: 1-26
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standup attack A from face up

Total: 49
Hit: 17-19, 25-27
Invincible: 1-27
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Veggie throw ground

Total: 23
release: 10 (forward, back)
Release: 11 (up)
Release: 9 (down)
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Veggie throw Air

Total: 23
Release: 10 (down)
Release: 11 up)
Release: 10 (forward)
Release: 9 (backward)
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Vegetable Pull

Total: 29
Vegetable lasts: 141 frames in air
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Peach Bomber

Windup on ground: 21
Windup in air: 31
Lunging portion: 25 (1-10 do damage)
land lag: 33
Air lag: 28
Hit recovery: 27
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Toad

Total: 64
Toad: 10-30

When hit:

invincible for 8 frames
1st spore released on 8th frame
Last spore is gone after frame 34-40
you can move on the 78th frame
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Parasol

Part 1: 40
totally invincible frame 3
Hit: 6-29
Becoming floaty: 15
Hit: 10>
Being floaty lasts 944 frames max
Fastfalling: 1 frame
Becoming floaty again: see previous
Landlag: 30
Landfallspeciallag: 4
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Float

Total: 150 frames
If you voluntarily end the float, you
can do nothing from frames 2-5 (frame
1 being the first frame you aren't
holding jump) and an attack started
on frame 1 will be float cancelled.

If the float ends naturally, you can
do nothing frames 1-5
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Jump: airborne on frame 6

Air time: 59
Earliest FF: 30
FF air time: 46

SH air time: 42
Earliest FF: 22
SH FF air time: 29
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Because Peach's second jump has a dip
at the beginning, she can land while
doing it, but instead of her landing
animation, it will go to her waiting
animation, which means there is no
lag, excepting that if you press any
button on the frame you land, Peach
will go to her landing animation.

These numbers assume a short hop, as
it is easier and more effective

When you press jump : when you land

1st frame in the air: 1 frame later
2nd frame in the air: 3 frames later
3rd frame in the air: 5 frames later

Moving forward increases dip SLIGHTLY
and may reduce above numbers by 1.
Moving back may decrease dip SLIGHTLY
and may increase above numbers by 1

I was unable to achieve 100%
consistency except with no movement
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Taunt

Total: 85
saWEET!: 1
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Air Dodge
invulnerable 4-19 out of 49

Ground dodge
invulnerable 2-18 out of 27

Roll
invulnerable 4-19 out of 31

landing stun: 4 frames

Dash becomes Run at frame 16
Run turnaround: 24
Turn-jump threshold: 12

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 3:40 pm

Nice job on the guide, I've only just recently been practicing DJCing to use her F-air, up until now I generally avoided using it.

So is it more effective to explode out of a shield with a DJC N-air?

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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 9:09 pm

Thanks for the comment.

DJC nair out of shield is really, really fast. ANd typically better than a shield grab. If you try to actually float it'll probably come out slow.

SO, say a Shiek dash attacks you. . . DJC nair out of shield usually the best option. ALso, you can mix it up with double jump landing (double jump in the first 4 frames to land on the ground) into dsmash, and once you have fooled them into shield that (if they can), double jump land grab or shield grab.

Best thing about DJC fair is that you can do a retreating fair.

Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 4:15 pm

I'll keep it in mind smile

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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:15 pm

Nice guide.
I wanted to start peach as my third but after playing sheik and doc for ages, its hard as to use someone who is generally slower. I aslo tried for fox but that didn't work either. So I'm sticking with my crappy falco in hopes that I'll learn something off arc.

Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 10:14 pm

K-0S

Nice guide.
I wanted to start peach as my third but after playing sheik and doc for ages, its hard as to use someone who is generally slower. I aslo tried for fox but that didn't work either. So I'm sticking with my crappy falco in hopes that I'll learn something off arc.

Better me than moose or Sieg, who both are apparently better than me

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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 10:18 pm

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Nice guide.
I wanted to start peach as my third but after playing sheik and doc for ages, its hard as to use someone who is generally slower. I aslo tried for fox but that didn't work either. So I'm sticking with my crappy falco in hopes that I'll learn something off arc.

Better me than moose or Sieg, who both are apparently better than me

well, then this tourny is going to have a bit of bite....

Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 11:08 pm

as always sieg is gonna have it handed to him and as for the moose, we'll see.

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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 10:42 am

tourny??? what tourny??? were??? what the hell. i havent been to one of those. im good, but i never have time to go crying dood i would like to meet you guys, from what i can gather you guys played against each other. i wish i can play against more newer people.

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 11:12 pm

unless you live in Australia, near the gold coast then no. Or unless your willing to fork out the money to come by and play us *looks hopefully*

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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 5:38 pm

DAMN!!! TALK ABOUT OVER SEA. i dont think i will be able to go that. maybe in like 5 years or so, but that is a long time from now. i dont know... maybe one day if i still know you guys. i mean alot can happen in 5 years.

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:31 pm

I might be doing an american smash tour this year. Depends if my dads going on his business trip. If I do I'll be in texas so yeah........

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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 8:06 pm

Down Smash and a forward throw.

Nuff said.

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