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DragonicFlames Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 2:26 pm
I ran into a thread the other day, that basically stated that it was hoping to address specific witchcrafts using a Q&A Method. But the questions were (summed down because I don't believe in wordiness):
1) What type of magic do you practice? (Ignores those that don't state they "practice" magic) 2) What god structure do you believe in? 3) Eclectic or Trad based? 4) Solitary or Other? 5) Moral Code/Standard? 6) What your partner believes in? 7) Where you live? cool Are you artsy or do martial arts?
My remark to these questions is that they aren't specific nor do they even revolve around anything within a practice or a path. The first 5 maybe - in a round about this is what everyone asks, but doesn't lead into the specifics of witchcraft or a practice.
I'm wondering though, now, what would people be curious to find out about others practices?
Me?
1) How you form your circle (meaning, from pre to post circle). 2) How you use the tools (diagrams, vids, and instructions) within a spell; if you use them. 3) When are spells done? (Open ended; what ever that was interpreted as). 4) How do you deal with spirits? 5) How you deal with certain spell structures? 6) Spell Formats; in general. 7) Divination bases.
^- These are questions that I would associate with a level of attempt to "show" the different kinds of witches out there.
What other questions would you think would help establish differences and allow for a deeper conversation than a cm of water?
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Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 2:43 pm
You make an assumption with your first one. Many witches don't use circles.
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Sanguina Cruenta Vice Captain
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DragonicFlames Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 4:32 pm
Sanguina Cruenta You make an assumption with your first one. Many witches don't use circles. Ok. And that would be a perfectly valid answer to my first question. Now, can you offer any other questions that might be better suited? Hmmm?
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Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 4:44 pm
It wouldn't be an answer - or at least, it's an answer, but to a different question. You make the assumption in the question, which is annoying to the number of us who don't have anything to do with circles. If this is me, answering your questions on whatever thread, then all you'll get from me is that correction and then I'd have no more to do with you, on the basis that, from my perspective, you don't care to include a large number of witchcraft traditions within your definition of "witchcraft".
I'd start by asking them how they defined "witch". I don't think your questions are particularly helpful because they don't really settle on what distinguishes different forms of witchcraft. Except for number four (which isn't explained enough; what kind of spirits?) they're just to do with spells, and most of them can really be summed up in number six.
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Sanguina Cruenta Vice Captain
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DragonicFlames Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 7:43 pm
Sanguina Cruenta It wouldn't be an answer - or at least, it's an answer, but to a different question. You make the assumption in the question, which is annoying to the number of us who don't have anything to do with circles. If this is me, answering your questions on whatever thread, then all you'll get from me is that correction and then I'd have no more to do with you, on the basis that, from my perspective, you don't care to include a large number of witchcraft traditions within your definition of "witchcraft". I'd start by asking them how they defined "witch". I don't think your questions are particularly helpful because they don't really settle on what distinguishes different forms of witchcraft. Except for number four (which isn't explained enough; what kind of spirits?) they're just to do with spells, and most of them can really be summed up in number six. Let's start with this: I did not intend to be offensive. If I was, back off for the love of all secularism in the house, and I apologize. Now, that being said, this isn't a Q&A session (obviously); and it wouldn't be. This is not the intention of this thread. The intention is however, to ask what would be better questions to ask or questions that you (as a practicer) would like to see asked or would like to BE asked. Those would be mine specifically for me to ask and for me to be asked. It's helpful to suggest (to me at least) what other type of questions than your standard: "Oh what's a witch? Oh what's a unicorn? Oh what's this hanging from my left cheek?" Which can cause confusion ("what's a witch" leads to "Well I'm not under your definition, lalallalallaaahhhha" and "So that's what you think witches are?! HA! Lalallaahhhh") - though I'd probably (if I were making a Q&A thread ) ask them to be specific in the first half of their post to post some of the more generalities like: Hey, my name is DF. (Hi DF) I'm a secular witch, who uses a combination of ritual (as in repetitive motions or events) and folk magic. A witch is someone who practices witchcraft. Da-da-da-da, then move on into the specifics of questions as listed here. I'm tired of re-saying the same thing because it's boring. I don't wanna argue over semantics for twenty pages (I've done that enough on PS, 6 threads and counting. Full. to. the tilt.). Nor would I be interested in arguing over "well I don't do circles - blah blah blah." Ok. Then either skip over the question or say that, it works for me. Am I stopping you? No, of course not. That would be rude of me. I'm not trying to define what witchcraft is by asking questions that may not fit your [general] specific branch (thus excluding you by accident rather than design) - and to assume so is your fault, not mine. You may have questions (that you'd like to be asked/ask) that may exclude my specific practice. It happens, so again, this point of this thread is to help see what would be BETTER, specific questions. My point is that I'm trying to figure out what are better questions rather than generalities or trying to make all my questions FIT for every single stinking witchcraft - effort in futility and completely distracts from my original purpose (it's the antithesis of my purpose to be honest). However, I'm glad you critiqued them, but at the same time I think it's rather silly that you'd rather not have a discussion where you can answer a question with "I don't" and move on, or explain why you don't and move on because the question doesn't pin point one practice out of your entire tradition. Edit: Also formatting would be nice. What kind of format would be good to ask questions. Grouping certain types of questions together might be more helpful than just randomly throwing out questions as I did in the example/op.
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Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:47 pm
Sanguina Cruenta probably spends too much time in the ED. Finding fault with somebody's statement and changing the subject are all wonderful and appropriate debate techniques. However, this is not a competitive debate, it's a collaborative discussion for sharing thoughts and ideas. Being sophomoric does not enhance communication or clarity, it hinders it.
I do not practice witchcraft, I am not a witch, I do not even practice magic (although if you replace "magic" with any general definition accepted by this community that statement would be false.) None of your questions pertain to me, and I'd be quick to let you know. However, this leaves you knowing nothing about what I do, and seeming uninterested it. This lack of interest is probably what would rub people the wrong way, a generic reaction would be, "Oh, you say you're interested in what I do, but your questions show that you actually aren't!" /nerdrage
Let's put this in more accessible terms. The type of discussion you're looking for is an interview. I know the word has formal connotations, but an interview can be a casual conversation and vice versa. The dilemma of trying to conduct an interview in this format is that you have to ask all of the questions at once before you get any answers, instead of letting the natural flow of conversation bring questions up. It's not ideal, but it's what we have to work with, so how do we do it?
We start with the basics: who, what, when, where, why, how. What do you do? How do you do it? Why do you do it? When did you start? Why did you start? Who have you worked with? These questions are fairly universal to any in depth discussion, which is what you say you want. The questions you found reflect this, so I don't see anything wrong with them. The questions you asked are not openly inquisitive or accessible. We aren't discussing circles, why are you asking about them? You have to introduce the subject of the question in an accessible way. I work with circles, do you work with circles? ... this leads to an in depth discussion. It's okay to talk about specifics, but you have to start with broad generalizations and work your way down.
For my part the questions I would ask and want to be asked are:
What do you do? Where does it come from? How did you get it? What is your heritage? How long have you practiced? Who have you learned from? What is their [the person/people you learned from] background?
All of these questions should of course be followed up with "Oh, what's that?"
I find trying to group witches into "types" to be useless. I have met plenty of witches who have claimed a type, but never two of the same type. This defeats the purpose of typing.
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DragonicFlames Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 2:59 pm
Zyzza,
I like your general questions (and explanations of why those specific questions) much better than my own.
While I agree the typing (as well as the stereo kind) is bad, I still would want to see technique discussions -leading into why are we discussing circles. So that's where I was headed with that.
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:54 am
Dragonic Flames 1) What type of magic do you practice? (Ignores those that don't state they "practice" magic) Unknown to be honest. I am still working on that, though most recently I have been using my mind for my spells. I follow the format found in Penczak's Instant Magick . Dragonic Flames 2) What god structure do you believe in? I believe in all gods. I do not worship all gods but I believe in all Gods. I worship a set of deities. Dragonic Flames 3) Eclectic or Trad based? I am a dedicant of the Temple tradition of witchcraft. Solitary I dont have a definite set of those yet. Though I tend to use the Nine Noble Virtues as a base for my conduct with every one. Dragonic Flames 6) What your partner believes in? To be honest I dont really know. He was a Buddhist for a while, but started to think about neo-pagan eclectic religious witchcraft. I dedicated him, but he has done little studying on his own. I may ask him to consider returning to Buddhism if that is what he really feels works for him. Southern Maine. Full of nature (though not in the cities). Dragonic Flames 8:Are you artsy or do martial arts? Both. Though I am no longer a student in my dojo. I love art and use art when I can. I have thought of using my art as offerings and sacrifices to my gods.
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:01 am
DragonicFlames Sanguina Cruenta You make an assumption with your first one. Many witches don't use circles. Ok. And that would be a perfectly valid answer to my first question. Now, can you offer any other questions that might be better suited? Hmmm? a better question would be "Do you use a magic circle, and if you do, how do you form it?"
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