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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 11:51 am


I came across an ad on Craigslist for a de-horned Boer goat. I was curious as to what that was, and upon Googling it, I came across this:

http://www.goatwisdom.com/ch1baby_care/dehorning.html

Is this a common practice? After reading that and looking at those photos, I feel like I'm going to throw up. I didn't even know there was such a thing until just now. Needless to say, that is something that I will never, ever do.

You guys probably know more about it than I do. What are your opinions on it?

Also, and kind of off topic, I recently discovered what ear tag posts look like. My dad clipped Adelia's tag off the other day, and I expected it to be like a small earring post. But no, it was friggin' huge. There's now a gaping hole in her ear. You can see daylight through it. I put peroxide on it, but I can't imagine how much that must have hurt. It just barely missed the vein, too.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:01 pm


Dehorning is indeed a common practice, especially among dairy goats. It helps to prevent injury among themselves, and injury to handlers. It does indeed seem grusome by any method used. When the kids are young however it isnt so bad, because the horn isnt grown yet. It just removes the horn bud, so a horn doesnt grow. When done correctly and proper after care is done the goats turn out perfectly fine. Sure there is initial pain in the beginning but for most its better than being impaled, or getting stabbed on the milking stand by a goat that doesnt know where it's horn is going.

Again with tagging, when properly cared for the tag causes no later harm to the goat other than the inital pain. It provides a means of identification, that can be vital in larger herds, and in the show ring. Its similar to people getting earrings.

I personally tag because i show in youth shows, however i do not dehorn because my goats are Boer, and the breed just doesn't seem right without its horns. Also i do not have the equipment to dehorn.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:12 am


It still seems a little mortifying to me. Don't they sedate them for give them something for the pain? The thing that gets me is that they don't always use anesthesia.

Can't they freeze brand or put collars on the goats for identification? Or at least give them a painkiller beforehand.

Sorry, I'm from the city and I'm new to the whole farm thing. I don't think of any of my animals as livestock. They're all pets, just like dogs and cats. Some of the things I'm learning about farm animals... it's a bit of a culture shock.
PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:21 am


Yup, very standard practice in both goats and cattle.
I used to do it all the time, when I was still breeding goats. I always felt bad for my little boys though, they got dehorned and banded all in one go. But as soon as you set them down they're fine. I always had a bottle ready for them so I'd get the bad stuff done and then they'd get fed.
I never ear taged my goats, but I did it with cattle, I now do it with sheep, pigs, rabbits, mice and rats. Mainly mice, our sheep rabbits and pigs come in with ear tags now, they didn't used to and that was a pain.
With cattle, sheep, goats, pigs and rabbits it's no big deal unless you hit the artery going down the middle of thier ear. They will bleed like mad if you do, but they have large areas of cartilage, basically the whole ear, that is not going to bleed and will heal nicely. It's no different then a human getting a cartilage piercing, I have one.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:25 am


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It still seems a little mortifying to me. Don't they sedate them for give them something for the pain? The thing that gets me is that they don't always use anesthesia.

Can't they freeze brand or put collars on the goats for identification? Or at least give them a painkiller beforehand.

Sorry, I'm from the city and I'm new to the whole farm thing. I don't think of any of my animals as livestock. They're all pets, just like dogs and cats. Some of the things I'm learning about farm animals... it's a bit of a culture shock.

You should see how they castrate calves ninja twisted ninja

Goat hide is too thin to freeze brand. You're likely to dammage the underlying muscle tissue.

Pain killers are expensive and most of the ones that are safe to use in livestock are controlled, meaning you have to have a DEA lisence to use or distrubute them. And considering that most farmers do their own dehorning, castration and identificaton, it's really not an option. Unless the farmer is also a vet or a doctor.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 8:41 am


I'm new to the farming scene as well. And going to an auction for the first time was the most culture shock thing i've done. for some reason though, i've just eased up to everythign else. None seemed more shocking to me than the other things. And i have since gone to many auctions, and even purchased stock from them. mrgreen

Castrating cattle is indeed very grousome.

I think if i ever de-horn a goat of mine i will use a topical anestetic to numb the area a little, however i'm not sure how well that will work. :/ My mom is a nurse so she can get things like lidocane and whatnot.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 5:05 am


animegalash
I'm new to the farming scene as well. And going to an auction for the first time was the most culture shock thing i've done. for some reason though, i've just eased up to everythign else. None seemed more shocking to me than the other things. And i have since gone to many auctions, and even purchased stock from them. mrgreen

Castrating cattle is indeed very grousome.

I think if i ever de-horn a goat of mine i will use a topical anestetic to numb the area a little, however i'm not sure how well that will work. :/ My mom is a nurse so she can get things like lidocane and whatnot.

Lidocaine would probably work well, but make sure that you get a goat dosage from your vet.
You'll also need to get it SQ areound the base of the horn and I think that's where most of the trouble will be. There's not any extra skin there and if the animal is struggling you can do more damage with the needle trying to give the pain medication then if you were to go without.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 2:38 pm


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You should see how they castrate calves ninja twisted ninja
how do they castrate calves?? and have you ever been involved with castrating piglets X.x I had to pitty the poor lil dudes,but they didnt squeal too much AFTER they were cut....

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 5:41 pm


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I'm new to the farming scene as well. And going to an auction for the first time was the most culture shock thing i've done. for some reason though, i've just eased up to everythign else. None seemed more shocking to me than the other things. And i have since gone to many auctions, and even purchased stock from them. mrgreen

Castrating cattle is indeed very grousome.

I think if i ever de-horn a goat of mine i will use a topical anestetic to numb the area a little, however i'm not sure how well that will work. :/ My mom is a nurse so she can get things like lidocane and whatnot.

Lidocaine would probably work well, but make sure that you get a goat dosage from your vet.
You'll also need to get it SQ areound the base of the horn and I think that's where most of the trouble will be. There's not any extra skin there and if the animal is struggling you can do more damage with the needle trying to give the pain medication then if you were to go without.


Well i would use it topically instead of injecting it. Shave the area and then rub the lidocaine all over the horn bud.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 5:06 am


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You should see how they castrate calves ninja twisted ninja
how do they castrate calves?? and have you ever been involved with castrating piglets X.x I had to pitty the poor lil dudes,but they didnt squeal too much AFTER they were cut....

Well here's a quick youtube search Here, not the best angle, but you'll get the picture.

And I've done piglet castration. It was part of my VT training. Only done it the once though, the one poor little one that our class did had an inguinal hernia. When we set him down his intestines started to come out of his scrotum. Our teacher (a licensed veterinarian) stitched him up with string from a feed sack that had been soaked in alcohol and a needle that would have been big on a cow. But it's what was available. Little guy survived, no infection, and as soon as we put him back with mom just started suckling away. He grew to his full potential and went to slaughter with the rest of his siblings.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 5:08 am


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I'm new to the farming scene as well. And going to an auction for the first time was the most culture shock thing i've done. for some reason though, i've just eased up to everythign else. None seemed more shocking to me than the other things. And i have since gone to many auctions, and even purchased stock from them. mrgreen

Castrating cattle is indeed very grousome.

I think if i ever de-horn a goat of mine i will use a topical anestetic to numb the area a little, however i'm not sure how well that will work. :/ My mom is a nurse so she can get things like lidocane and whatnot.

Lidocaine would probably work well, but make sure that you get a goat dosage from your vet.
You'll also need to get it SQ areound the base of the horn and I think that's where most of the trouble will be. There's not any extra skin there and if the animal is struggling you can do more damage with the needle trying to give the pain medication then if you were to go without.


Well i would use it topically instead of injecting it. Shave the area and then rub the lidocaine all over the horn bud.

Hmm, never seen topical used. That must be something that only humans get, or small animal clinics. In research we only use injectable. But if it works and you can get it go for it. Might be best to use it afterwards though. The iron could burn it all off, or there could be unforseen issues if the paste gets too hot.
PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 11:01 am


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I'm new to the farming scene as well. And going to an auction for the first time was the most culture shock thing i've done. for some reason though, i've just eased up to everythign else. None seemed more shocking to me than the other things. And i have since gone to many auctions, and even purchased stock from them. mrgreen

Castrating cattle is indeed very grousome.

I think if i ever de-horn a goat of mine i will use a topical anestetic to numb the area a little, however i'm not sure how well that will work. :/ My mom is a nurse so she can get things like lidocane and whatnot.

Lidocaine would probably work well, but make sure that you get a goat dosage from your vet.
You'll also need to get it SQ areound the base of the horn and I think that's where most of the trouble will be. There's not any extra skin there and if the animal is struggling you can do more damage with the needle trying to give the pain medication then if you were to go without.


Well i would use it topically instead of injecting it. Shave the area and then rub the lidocaine all over the horn bud.

Hmm, never seen topical used. That must be something that only humans get, or small animal clinics. In research we only use injectable. But if it works and you can get it go for it. Might be best to use it afterwards though. The iron could burn it all off, or there could be unforseen issues if the paste gets too hot.

Well mom gets the injectible kind. She takes it out with a needle, and then squirts it on the area with a syringe. Does well to numb the area.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 2:37 pm


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You should see how they castrate calves ninja twisted ninja
how do they castrate calves?? and have you ever been involved with castrating piglets X.x I had to pitty the poor lil dudes,but they didnt squeal too much AFTER they were cut....

Well here's a quick youtube search Here, not the best angle, but you'll get the picture.

And I've done piglet castration. It was part of my VT training. Only done it the once though, the one poor little one that our class did had an inguinal hernia. When we set him down his intestines started to come out of his scrotum. Our teacher (a licensed veterinarian) stitched him up with string from a feed sack that had been soaked in alcohol and a needle that would have been big on a cow. But it's what was available. Little guy survived, no infection, and as soon as we put him back with mom just started suckling away. He grew to his full potential and went to slaughter with the rest of his siblings.
ah almost like horses and pigs,our school had a piglet that got a prolapse,they stitched it like 3 times,but they had to put him down in the end,cause it wasnt working....
PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 2:43 am


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You should see how they castrate calves ninja twisted ninja
how do they castrate calves?? and have you ever been involved with castrating piglets X.x I had to pitty the poor lil dudes,but they didnt squeal too much AFTER they were cut....

Well here's a quick youtube search Here, not the best angle, but you'll get the picture.

And I've done piglet castration. It was part of my VT training. Only done it the once though, the one poor little one that our class did had an inguinal hernia. When we set him down his intestines started to come out of his scrotum. Our teacher (a licensed veterinarian) stitched him up with string from a feed sack that had been soaked in alcohol and a needle that would have been big on a cow. But it's what was available. Little guy survived, no infection, and as soon as we put him back with mom just started suckling away. He grew to his full potential and went to slaughter with the rest of his siblings.
ah almost like horses and pigs,our school had a piglet that got a prolapse,they stitched it like 3 times,but they had to put him down in the end,cause it wasnt working....

Yup, except horses at least get a local. Of course that's less for the horse and more for the individual performing the castration wink

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