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 Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 11:38 am
... because of ritual nudity?
I firmly believe that the gods and elements can still connecting with us if we're wearing clothes. *shrug* I find it stupid that not believing in ritual nudity but still believing the rest of the basic premises excludes me. I know plenty of people who are Catholic but don't believe in all the Catholic tenets- why can't there be Wiccans who do the same thing?
It makes no sense to me. sad
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Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 11:46 am
Wicca seemed to be a very structured path. There are a LOT of requirements to be able to call yourself an ACTUAL Wiccan. I think the ritual nudity isn't even a big one at that.
The be Wiccan you have to do a lot of things...so many people out there say they are Wiccan but really arent'. Of course, I'm sure you've heard this all already so i'm not going to talk your ear off >.< lol.
It doesn't seem to make sense to me either, but it is how it is. Just because you can't call yourself Wiccan doesn't make your path any less true or right for you. =]
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Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 11:54 am
Do I really have to get involved in this one?
"Damn my blood... I scorn to do anyone a mischief, when it is not for my advantage."
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Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 12:06 pm
I'm well aware of what real Wicca is. Lineaged, Gardnerian, initiative, orthopraxic, what-have-you. I was involved in a lineaged coven working on my first degree at one point. I just think it's stupid that one minor disagreement means not only is it impossible to find a coven that agrees with you that happens to be lineaged (I moved, dammit), but that it means you can't technically be considered Wiccan. Really? A thin layer of fabric symbolizes your freedom? I'm sorry. I just don't see the logic.
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Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 12:07 pm
Calelith
Do I really have to get involved in this one?
"Damn my blood... I scorn to do anyone a mischief, when it is not for my advantage."
Please do? I know you're knowledgeable and I would appreciate your opinion.
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Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 12:22 pm
Brighid le Fey I'm well aware of what real Wicca is. Lineaged, Gardnerian, initiative, orthopraxic, what-have-you. I was involved in a lineaged coven working on my first degree at one point. I just think it's stupid that one minor disagreement means not only is it impossible to find a coven that agrees with you that happens to be lineaged (I moved, dammit), but that it means you can't technically be considered Wiccan. Really? A thin layer of fabric symbolizes your freedom? I'm sorry. I just don't see the logic. 
Considering one of the main things about Wicca is to maintain the core (and also a way to tell if the coven is a legitimate coven) and to maintain it's oathbound nature, I'm pretty sure that preforming specific rituals/rites skyclad would be part of that core. The few Wiccans I do know (one not being on Gaia, but I'm finding it hard to fully trace his lineage) have stated (from what I've gathered that is) that it's rather essential for some of the rituals to be performed skyclad, which is yet another reason that people under the age of 18 are unable to be Wiccan. It's seems to be a way to be closer to the Lord and Lady.
"Damn my blood... I scorn to do anyone a mischief, when it is not for my advantage."
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Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 12:39 pm
Calelith Brighid le Fey I'm well aware of what real Wicca is. Lineaged, Gardnerian, initiative, orthopraxic, what-have-you. I was involved in a lineaged coven working on my first degree at one point. I just think it's stupid that one minor disagreement means not only is it impossible to find a coven that agrees with you that happens to be lineaged (I moved, dammit), but that it means you can't technically be considered Wiccan. Really? A thin layer of fabric symbolizes your freedom? I'm sorry. I just don't see the logic.
Considering one of the main things about Wicca is to maintain the core (and also a way to tell if the coven is a legitimate coven) and to maintain it's oathbound nature, I'm pretty sure that preforming specific rituals/rites skyclad would be part of that core. The few Wiccans I do know (one not being on Gaia, but I'm finding it hard to fully trace his lineage) have stated (from what I've gathered that is) that it's rather essential for some of the rituals to be performed skyclad, which is yet another reason that people under the age of 18 are unable to be Wiccan. It's seems to be a way to be closer to the Lord and Lady.
"Damn my blood... I scorn to do anyone a mischief, when it is not for my advantage."
The coven I was involved with, you had to be 21 before you could get your First Degree. Which I am. I think perhaps my own lack of comfort with ritual nudity could be due to the fact that I am a victim of sexual abuse and therefore do not fully feel connected or comfortable with my own body. I don't know. *shrug* It seems to me that the Lord and Lady are available for you in whatever state of apparel you may be in, and that it is humans who reach further if they are in such a state that they feel comfortable. Looking at his history, I'm sure Gardner felt more comfortable nude and that is why he passed that mandate. It's kind of funny, when you think about it, that the founder of Wicca is one of those scary high priests your high priestesses warn you about. xd
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Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 6:33 pm
Brighid le Fey It seems to me that the Lord and Lady are available for you in whatever state of apparel you may be in, and that it is humans who reach further if they are in such a state that they feel comfortable. I feel compelled to ask: Have you given a thought to worshiping the Wiccan gods without being Wiccan? Christians and Muslims worship the Jewish god without being Jewish themselves.
So long as you don't call yourself "Wiccan" and don't presume to know inn-court practices that you could not know, I can't foresee any problem with it. ... could kick your a** !!
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Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 7:06 pm
The only way I would practice nude would be with my family. Probably not my brothers though. But I would be comfortable with my mom and sister and, of course, my husband and daughter {but she's only 2}.
I guess it is a way to help realize that bodily appearances do not mean that much. That it is the devotion and willingness to abide by the laws of the covenant to honor the Lady and Lord. I don't think it, at all, is about self image, but us humans are so caught up on that. I am.
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Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 9:30 pm
Aakosir The only way I would practice nude would be with my family Something to note though - if you found a coven that was the right "fit", (in theory) you wouldn't mind being naked among them. The right coven should feel like family, and that's part of where the "perfect love and perfect trust" thing come in. Brighid le Fey... there are other Traditions besides Gardnerian, you may want to check and see if they all require "sky-clad" rituals. I'm thinking that there might be some that don't (or will at least allow a robe of some sort), but I'm not completely sure. Other lineaged traditions (besides Gardnerian) are, Alexandrian, Central Valley, Mohsian, Majestic, Kingstone, Silver Crescent, Daoine Coire, and some lines of Blue Star and Protean. It might also be worth it to look into other Witchcraft trads - such as Reclaiming, Feri or Georgian, as they may have some similar elements, but don't require ritual nudity (as far as I know).
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 9:46 am
ncsweet Aakosir The only way I would practice nude would be with my family Something to note though - if you found a coven that was the right "fit", (in theory) you wouldn't mind being naked among them. The right coven should feel like family, and that's part of where the "perfect love and perfect trust" thing come in.
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 1:03 pm
Aakosir ncsweet Aakosir The only way I would practice nude would be with my family Something to note though - if you found a coven that was the right "fit", (in theory) you wouldn't mind being naked among them. The right coven should feel like family, and that's part of where the "perfect love and perfect trust" thing come in. That would make it a bit rough - even without the nudity issue, you still need to have that closeness. At least it's a good thing that there are plenty of other paths out there if Wicca isn't the one.
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 3:54 pm
I must agree with Aakosir. And besides, I don't feel comfortable nude in front of my family; Hell, I don't even feel comfortable nude in front of my fiancé.
I could investigate other practices, but the problem comes back to having limited resources and money-- especially the money part. I'm unemployed waiting on disability (psychiatric), and ergo am completely bare-a** broke. I don't have money to buy new winter clothes, even at a thrift shop; supplies and/or books are even more difficult, and there are literally NO pagan books in the local library system.
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:18 pm
ncsweet Aakosir ncsweet Aakosir The only way I would practice nude would be with my family Something to note though - if you found a coven that was the right "fit", (in theory) you wouldn't mind being naked among them. The right coven should feel like family, and that's part of where the "perfect love and perfect trust" thing come in. That would make it a bit rough - even without the nudity issue, you still need to have that closeness. At least it's a good thing that there are plenty of other paths out there if Wicca isn't the one.
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:22 pm
Brighid le Fey I must agree with Aakosir. And besides, I don't feel comfortable nude in front of my family; Hell, I don't even feel comfortable nude in front of my fiancé. I could investigate other practices, but the problem comes back to having limited resources and money-- especially the money part. I'm unemployed waiting on disability (psychiatric), and ergo am completely bare-a** broke. I don't have money to buy new winter clothes, even at a thrift shop; supplies and/or books are even more difficult, and there are literally NO pagan books in the local library system.
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