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 Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 11:40 pm
I've always believed that a certain level of genre classification was important, it makes your life very convenient when you're searching for a specific sound. But there are those who I believe go too far (I won't mention names but its no one in this guild... I think). Up to a point I supported literate/logical genre classification, until I heard a band such as My Chemical Romance coined as something like Pop Violence/Post-hardcore/Softcore/Thirdwave Emotive Hardcore, I thought to myself, holy ********! This person has no life! I mean seriously, having talked to and listened to the comments of a bunch of independant musicians, its quite clear that bands generally laugh at all the people who stress themselves so much in trying to place a fixed label on them, only for the band to release another album with a handful of different elements!
Its quite pathetic really, I mean, when you make music (good music that is), you hardly ever concern yourself with things like genre boundaries/restrictions (otherwise, what kind of a musician would you be?). Even if a band was concerned with losing a portion of their fan base (and by all means that is a consideration), most still release their 'different' songs into a side-project EP or something similar. In most cases, those boundaries are thrown into the trash. I mean really! When albums like Rites of Spring's self-titled were released, who would've thought that people stressed so much in classifying those albums that they had to create an entirely new genre (in their case, emo!). I mean really, when I say I like hardcore, I'm talking about a wide range of music from Raised Fist all the way to Fugazi! I'm not going to cut out every band that has added a different sound to diversify their roots, that would make hardcore a horrible and restrictive genre that I would want to distance myself from. Fortunately I don't believe that to be the case biggrin
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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 6:16 am
You're absolutely right. I hate people like that. >.o I agree that genres are important, and some sub-genres are all right... but ALL sub-sub-genres etc SHOULD DIE! xp
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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 10:25 am
Totally agree... It's going a bit far when you read a magazine and they invent a new genre for every new band. In my opinion genres are just something made up by journalists to enable them to describe music with words. Which is fair enough.. but I once heard My Chemical Romance described as "bat-core" I mean, what does that tell the reader about the music? Not a lot... I think I'll move this to the Genre Discussion subforum is that cool?
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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 2:49 am
Yeah, that's fine... bat-core???? That doesn't even make sense!
Imagine this:
"Yo, you in a band?"
"Yep"
"What type of music do you play?"
"Bat-core"
"WTF? eek "
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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:26 am
exactly... that was pretty much my response when I read it lol
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Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 2:38 pm
Contagious Cure Yeah, that's fine... bat-core???? That doesn't even make sense! Imagine this: "Yo, you in a band?" "Yep" "What type of music do you play?" "Bat-core" "WTF? eek " >.> My band is soooo bat-core... xp
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Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 11:18 am
I've found the people who b***h about this are ones who don't know/understand genres and sub-genres so they get pissed when they put something in the wrong forum and get told to ******** off.
I've NEVER seen anyone apply that many names to a genre of a band.
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Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 3:41 am
I've had my confusions about Metal sub genres (still not sure about the differences between Black Metal and Death Metal), but I generally avoid that subject. But no, I've never been told to "******** off" because I mis-classified a band. I'm more pissed at how some perfectly productive music conversations are ruined by someone who is a bit too obsessed with genre classification. But really now, most people who want to avoid confrontation when someone brings up a commonly mistaken band (you have the novelty bands like Green Day and Good Charlotte) in a genre conversation just say "Umm, sorry, not my type of punk". They know its not, but to be honest, why care if others do think its punk? Let them think what they want and you can think what you want. Genre arguements can be quite fun, but when on a site such as gaia (especially in the main music forum), such arguements are seemingly always about the same bands, same genres and so on that you eventually become sick of it.
Although you claim to not have seen such incidents occur, I unfortunately have.
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Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 7:26 am
well i would like to agree with you because you do have a good point. but i beleive that people need to get things correct, instead of calling things what they arent. i do it for educational purposes, but if they dont listen, i will usually leave it alone. those closed minded types are never interested in learning anything, and they never want to be wrong.
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Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 10:05 am
Contagious Cure I've had my confusions about Metal sub genres (still not sure about the differences between Black Metal and Death Metal), but I generally avoid that subject. But no, I've never been told to "******** off" because I mis-classified a band. I'm more pissed at how some perfectly productive music conversations are ruined by someone who is a bit too obsessed with genre classification. But really now, most people who want to avoid confrontation when someone brings up a commonly mistaken band (you have the novelty bands like Green Day and Good Charlotte) in a genre conversation just say "Umm, sorry, not my type of punk". They know its not, but to be honest, why care if others do think its punk? Let them think what they want and you can think what you want. Genre arguements can be quite fun, but when on a site such as gaia (especially in the main music forum), such arguements are seemingly always about the same bands, same genres and so on that you eventually become sick of it. Although you claim to not have seen such incidents occur, I unfortunately have. Black has screaming vocals, Death has growls. Those seem to be the only difference people agree on.
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Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:12 pm
BassFu Contagious Cure I've had my confusions about Metal sub genres (still not sure about the differences between Black Metal and Death Metal), but I generally avoid that subject. But no, I've never been told to "******** off" because I mis-classified a band. I'm more pissed at how some perfectly productive music conversations are ruined by someone who is a bit too obsessed with genre classification. But really now, most people who want to avoid confrontation when someone brings up a commonly mistaken band (you have the novelty bands like Green Day and Good Charlotte) in a genre conversation just say "Umm, sorry, not my type of punk". They know its not, but to be honest, why care if others do think its punk? Let them think what they want and you can think what you want. Genre arguements can be quite fun, but when on a site such as gaia (especially in the main music forum), such arguements are seemingly always about the same bands, same genres and so on that you eventually become sick of it. Although you claim to not have seen such incidents occur, I unfortunately have. Black has screaming vocals, Death has growls. Those seem to be the only difference people agree on. I guess that sort of makes since, I'll have to listen more carefully next time.
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Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:16 pm
evilbrainbabies well i would like to agree with you because you do have a good point. but i beleive that people need to get things correct, instead of calling things what they arent. i do it for educational purposes, but if they dont listen, i will usually leave it alone. those closed minded types are never interested in learning anything, and they never want to be wrong. In a thread made for the mere purpose of genre debate, I think that's completely fine (people who don't know their genres well shouldn't go there anyways unless the plan to learn). But when people bring up genre classification in places where its just not called for... it comes out as pretty pretentious and quite obnoxious.
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 1:02 am
Contagious Cure BassFu Contagious Cure I've had my confusions about Metal sub genres (still not sure about the differences between Black Metal and Death Metal), but I generally avoid that subject. But no, I've never been told to "******** off" because I mis-classified a band. I'm more pissed at how some perfectly productive music conversations are ruined by someone who is a bit too obsessed with genre classification. But really now, most people who want to avoid confrontation when someone brings up a commonly mistaken band (you have the novelty bands like Green Day and Good Charlotte) in a genre conversation just say "Umm, sorry, not my type of punk". They know its not, but to be honest, why care if others do think its punk? Let them think what they want and you can think what you want. Genre arguements can be quite fun, but when on a site such as gaia (especially in the main music forum), such arguements are seemingly always about the same bands, same genres and so on that you eventually become sick of it. Although you claim to not have seen such incidents occur, I unfortunately have. Black has screaming vocals, Death has growls. Those seem to be the only difference people agree on. I guess that sort of makes since, I'll have to listen more carefully next time. I always thought Cannibal Corpse was death metal until the metal forum pointed out they were grindcore.
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 1:24 pm
Contagious Cure evilbrainbabies well i would like to agree with you because you do have a good point. but i beleive that people need to get things correct, instead of calling things what they arent. i do it for educational purposes, but if they dont listen, i will usually leave it alone. those closed minded types are never interested in learning anything, and they never want to be wrong. In a thread made for the mere purpose of genre debate, I think that's completely fine (people who don't know their genres well shouldn't go there anyways unless the plan to learn). But when people bring up genre classification in places where its just not called for... it comes out as pretty pretentious and quite obnoxious. well it is i admit. but still, i dont like the fact that... if your going to act or be an eletist a*****e... at least know what the hell your doing it over. kinda like college students who talk about why they are protesting on cnn.. cnn always finds the best college kids for me to laugh at. (thank you for helping spread the word on that carlos mencia)
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