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When I was reading in the thread about magic I felt that something was lacking, that being demonic magic. After thinking about demonic magic I started to think of what demons could be in this world, and then while thinking about that, I figured that the creation process I came up with doesn't limit itself to demons so I'm not going to artificially do so.

So the idea of how the demons are made I came up with when reading the afore mentioned thread. The key to it is the Immaterial Magic, I figure it shouldn't just have an affect on people, but also places, as well it could travel from the source and mix with other immaterial magic as well as material magic.

So the idea is, in a way that might makes sense, peoples' emotions and their state, could combine with one another, as well as wild magic, to produce demons. Their emotions leave an imprint on the world, as does their very being, these could form into the mind of the demons and wild spirits, and that mind could gather wild magic, to form an ethereal body. They could over time use this magic to form a physical body, or they could use their immaterial magic and possess a being to gain one.


So a, please tell me if that made any sense. I rewrote that a couple of times, and it still looks disjointed. I would work this idea out more, but I'm not sure if I am getting the idea across.

Looks about right, though its more subtle, you wouldn't just have one emotion forming a spirit, you would have a group of them forming a semblance of a mind, though you could have lesser spirits that are much simpler.

Also this process would never really end, as these spirits are just accumulations of magic and impressions they could just keep accumulating magic and more mental impressions. So you could eventually have spirits and demons on par with gods. I figure the biggest slow down for them would be when they gain a mind, and decide what impressions and magic they want and what they don't, slowing the process but improving the quality.

I figure it would be fairly random as to what sort of minds develop, and so you have them split into a couple of basic groups. The demons, who are darker, and are made from emotions and desires that people have issues with like lust, greed, stuff like that. And the spirits, who are more benign, made from lighter emotions.

Now while this process is random it would have some order to it, such as spirits that developed in the same area would be more similar. As well stronger spirits and demons would likely affect weaker ones, making those weaker ones to be more like the stronger ones. You could also have demons and spirits that want to make other spirits and demons, and form impressions of their own to produce other spirits from.

Now though I don't think that they would be plentiful, though you would have more in areas where wild magic is abundant. You would also likely have ones being born in cities, though they would likely have little magic to them.

I think that with the general idea of various planes of existence that we have right now, we could have a fairly empty plane that has weak barriers separating it from other planes, allowing things to slip into it easily. That would be a plane of wild magics, that could be home to the more powerful spirits and demons. It could also be a place where impressions go, and make spirits. Though you could have other planes of existence where they live, and not restrict them to just one.

Don't have much time today, so just a small amount here.

I think that demons and spirits having a single dominant emotion would be the most common, but you could also have ones that have a pair.

You could also have some that don't have a dominant emotion but were instead formed first from a method of thinking. Such as you could have demons who are first defined by being calculating or manipulative.

Sorry I've missed this thread for so long...

Anyhow, I agree that Immaterial Magic should be able to create demons even angle type begins... If the second part of the Immaterial magic can create demons i think it should be able to make the opposite as well. I like Demonic NPC's but in way of player characters...I think if DM's want to allow for Demonic player characters, they should be the ones to write it up. I don't think we need to bother with that.

I also think that those demons which are able to obtain a mortal body should be those which are powerful. Powerful enough to either take over another mortal body which already exists, having a symbioses with one, or even creating one for themselves...which should be rare and if they do this there are many key features which they are unable to mimic in creating the body. Even in this, I think they would need help in doing this.

I like the idea of a place being demonic as well or holy...If a war of hatred took place in an area it should be such a place or if it is a temple of something then I think it should be a holy pace where good or evil 'spirits' dwell and influence the emotions and actions of players.