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Wicca Spells: Are They For Real? (And Other Questions)

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 1:43 pm


Ok. I know, I've been pretty dormant in this guild for awhile, but I'm back.
So, today my history teacher was talking about this Wicca librarian she taught with at her old school. My teacher told us about how the librarian had been teaching the little preschoolers about Wicca and stuff, but then she went on to where the librarian was casting spells and stuff.
So, I'm wondering, are Wicca spells for real or no? It's confusing, because something inside me is like, no, it's all fake, and then YES! IT'S FREAKIN' REAL!
Ok. Another question. My dad (*cough cough atheist sorry dad but leave me alone with the familiar stuff and dragons and etc cough cough*) raised this one. "If the Wiccas worship tree spirits and such, what about the Holy Spirit? That's a spirit too, isn't it?" my dad said. I want to prove to him that he's wrong and that there's a difference, and to show him that there IS a God up there that cares about everyone.
Last question. I used to want to be an paleontologist (IDK how to spell it. It's the kind of archaeology that studies dino bones) when I grew up, and I believed in dinosaurs. Today, I can't figure out if dinos are real or not, because there are dinosaur fossils and proof that they existed. But that all goes against what the Bible says. So, how old is the earth, and did dinosaurs exist?
Sorry about all the incoherent babbling and such, but these are really important questions to me.
PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 4:19 pm


I don't think that librarian was a real Wiccan. confused I'm friends with a few Wiccans, and I've studied it because I find it interesting. It's a fertility based religion, not nature based, contrary to popular belief. You have to be over the age of consent for any of the convents out there that you should even be near to initiate you into the religion, and all those who practice it have to take an oath of secrecy.

If anything, the librarian seems to be a neo-pagan who has read one too many of Raven Silverwolf's works.
As far as the spells involved in witchcraft (not Wicca; there is a difference) go, maybe this thread could help you understand the idea a little better. Link Most of the info that could help your understanding is under "Previous Comments" in the thread.

And although this sort of goes against what the Bible tells us, I believe that God created the universe, set lifeforms on a few of the planets (yes, I believe in aliens) and let nature take it's course. Which involves the lifeforms slowly evolving, resulting in both the dinosaurs and the human race.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 7:03 pm


i believe that the forces and powers of darkness and satanic witchcraft and magic are all very real . any type of spiritual spells are all satanic, there are none that are innocent or "white" magic as opposed to "black" magic.
it all comes from one spiritual source - and that source is certainly not the Holy Living True God.

I believe those types of spells sometimes do have dark forces carrying out their will. I also believe that God protects His children from spiritual darkness and harm. However, God also chastises His children for disobedience and sometimes allows His children's faith to be tested - like Job. In other words, bad things can and do happen to people who believe in Jesus Christ and call themselves Christians. Christians are not protected from the results of living sinful lives. I will go so far as to say that i believe when Christians begin living sinful lives in willful disobedience to God, they remove themselves from Gods divine protection. But i'm also convinced that God, because of His great mercy and love, still protects even His disobedient children many times.

As for the Holy Spirit being a spirit.. yes that's pretty obvious. What is your dads point? Does he believe that all spiritual beings are evil/wicked? that certainly is not true. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God, He is Holy. heart

As for the Dinosaurs, here's a really good and informative video that i'm sure you'll like and find interesting.

Dinosaurs And The Bible

hope this helped!
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:59 pm


First I feel that if you ever were to consider a career as a paleontologist then it would be prudent for me to correct you. Paleontology is not a branch of Archeology (which is, itself a branch of Anthropology) because archeology can only deal with humans.
Secondly since it seems to me that Christians believe in miracles and prayers which are essentially spells, then why shouldn't any of those other ones be real as well? If you're willing to believe that God takes a different for to be recognizable by Muslims, Hindus, etc then why not just believe that this is another form? Especially since the primary way a spell is supposed to work is by "Becoming your wish" which means wishing so hard you feel it everywhere...which is like praying really hard...yeah

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 9:13 pm


Sgettios, your logic is only correct if someone believes God takes different forms to appear to others. This, unfortunately, is not supported by scriptures and is incorrect. God does not reveal himself to different people of different belief systems. They have their own versions of what God might be, but their gods are not the same as the One Savior that Christians follow.

Secondly, a spell isn't "wishing really hard." It's a real thing that people mess around with. However, they get the power to cast incantations and perform such rituals not from our Heavenly Father, but from a darker source. They're very much real, but they're not holy or good in any way, shape, or form.

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Traumatized Dollie makes a very valid point when she said that the librarian wasn't a real Wiccan. Any real Wiccan would know that Wicca can only be performed with a covenant by people that are over the age of contentment. Sex and fertility is a huge aspect of that particular belief system, so it's odd that the librarian would be educating children about it.
PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 2:23 am


All I can say is that the the Bible says "suffer not a witch." The wiccans, witches whatever also do not believe in prosthelizing, or evangelizing, if you will. They are supposed to let people come to them.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 10:31 pm


Did I say it was? No, I said the most important component of it is wanting what you are trying to get through the spell with every fiber of your being. Wishing, while the most important part, is not the whole thing, although I've read in several books that in many cases wishing, praying to the God and Goddess, and phrasing your request correctly are all that are needed.

Secondly, I have seen a fair few people in this guild express this believe. Not being a member myself, I take what I interpret as a majority opinion and give a response as though that is what the OP thinks.
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