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What is fundamentalism?
  A view that limits the rights of others
  A view that leads to other peoples deaths?
  Irrational preduice?
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pink_punk_goddess

PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:59 pm


I belong to the Seventh-Day Adventists church, and while this church is steeped in tradition, I don't believe it's fundamentalist. We do communion once a month, ful immersion braptism and we pray, sing etc our praises to the Lord, but all in all we are free to have our own views on particular world matters. We wait until marriage to have sex, some of them beleive that homosexuality is a sin (i'm not one of these) and that a churhc should be run and preached by men.

Are these fundamentalist views, or just old-fashioned? What do *you* think constitues fundamentlist, does it have to be a view that will end in death or is it just a view that excludes paricular people from society, but ostrecism (sp?) or otherwise. Or is it maybe just an irrational preduice?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 7:09 pm


As long as they're not supporting horrible injustices and are doing their best to be productive members of the body of Christ then they're not the type of fundamentalists I'm worried about. Unfortunately today many young Christians are influenced by corrupt elements within various churches such as intolerance and older Christians who are more concerned with the appearance of righteousness than acts of charity and ministry. Of course if an anti-fundamentalist movement were truly successful many more religious people would begin to interpret the scriptures for themselves thus greatly reducing the beliefs that enable intolerance, misogyny, and even beliefs that help fuel terrorism. Right now it seems somewhat unrealistic but a man can dream.

AciDSniper
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ty_ping

PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 10:30 pm


Suddenly thinking, and it's on topic.
Wouldn't extream anti-fundamentalism, say, oppressing homophobes becuase they're fundamentalists.. Be Fundamentalism?

Oppressing the oppressors, speaking against those who speak against..
thinking, thinking..
PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 12:47 am


ty_ping
Suddenly thinking, and it's on topic.
Wouldn't extream anti-fundamentalism, say, oppressing homophobes becuase they're fundamentalists.. Be Fundamentalism?

Oppressing the oppressors, speaking against those who speak against..
thinking, thinking..

Yes it would but my proposal was to use philosophy to expose the inherent flaws within the forced interpretation of scripture by the religious groups that are currently in power which encourage things like homophobia, misogyny and terrorism; by doing so we may be able to challenge people to interpret the scriptures for themselves which would greatly reduce these evils.

AciDSniper
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ty_ping

PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 5:29 pm


AciDSniper
ty_ping
Suddenly thinking, and it's on topic.
Wouldn't extream anti-fundamentalism, say, oppressing homophobes becuase they're fundamentalists.. Be Fundamentalism?

Oppressing the oppressors, speaking against those who speak against..
thinking, thinking..

Yes it would but my proposal was to use philosophy to expose the inherent flaws within the forced interpretation of scripture by the religious groups that are currently in power which encourage things like homophobia, misogyny and terrorism; by doing so we may be able to challenge people to interpret the scriptures for themselves which would greatly reduce these evils.

Moderation and Gnosticism?
And would you believe I had to read that outloud before I got it. Damn I'm dumb...
PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 2:10 am


It's such a fine line, when does tolerance and the pushing for tolerance become intolerance for those who are intolerant of others? Argh.. ouch brain... now... hurts

pink_punk_goddess


Sleeping_Sage
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:16 pm


In all truth of the word fundamentalism, it is religious facism. Oppressing homophobes wouldn't be fundamentalist so much as just facism, and though facism may be fundamentalist it doesn't have to be. Islamic extremism is fundamentalist but has no true organisation or government so it lacks true facism, (even though its facist). Where was I? oh yeah...
NO.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 3:19 am


Although the term fundamentalism in popular usage sometimes refers derogatorily to any fringe religious group, or to extremist ethnic movements with only nominally religious motivations, the term does have a more precise denotation. "Fundamentalist" describes a movement to return to what is considered the defining or founding principles of the religion. It has especially come to refer to any religious enclave that intentionally resists identification with the larger religious group in which it originally arose, on the basis that fundamental principles upon which the larger religious group is supposedly founded have become corrupt or displaced by alternative principles hostile to its identity.

-Wikipedia

However, in common usage, the term fundamentalism is generally applied to only two groups:

1. Islamic fundamentalists, who are defined by the media, apparently, as "Muslims who blow things up or who support the blowing up of things, preferably with loss of life."

2. Christian fundamentalists, who are those who use the Bible as a weapon against the freedom of others, denying the existance of freedom in Christ with their deeds and positions even if they reference it with words.

Neither of these groups truly represents the fundamentals of the religion they are claiming to follow and return to the roots of, and thus 'extremists' might very well be a better term for them.

BTW, neither is nessecarily Facist either. Facism is a very specific political philosophy, of which I have never met a Christian or Islamic fundamentalist who follows.

There's my words on the matter.

LadyMikoSakura


Lleatrix

PostPosted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 3:04 pm


Fundamentalism: A usually religious movement or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism.
WE'RE AGAINST IT! biggrin
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 4:14 pm


I don't think what you practice is fundamentalism. In my opinion, its forcing someone to hear about your belief even if they say go away. I also think screaming, "You'll go to hell!" to everyone that isn't Christian or your particular subgroup of Christianity. I also think humilting a person in public by using the bible is wrong.

If you apply this to different religions as doing all these in another context, its fundamentaliam.

Bottom line: just because some people in the Seventh-Day Adventists are afraid of homosexuals and don't want women to lead doesn't mean it is fudamentalist. Although I don't believe in this doesn't mean it is automadicly fundamentalism. Some churches take a lot of the old world and try to remember the past. It isn't a crime. The main reason I don't think so is you have your own opinion about world issues, not the church's reason.

ffdarkangel


Aetheilas

PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:11 am


You've got some old-fashioned values, which are usually the best. I like your ideals and your church is pretty admirable, minus the members like the homophobes, but we all have those.
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