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 Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:05 pm
Hello all, as you may or may not know I am interested in evocation. Evocation is calling forth spirits to do you favors and give you advice. Now we as Satanists don't need 9 foot circles and restricting triangles. That being said I don't want you to forget the overall value of the Goetia while christian in nature it has good logic behind it and without all the prayers and god names it is a useful tool.
This really isn't meant to be a tutorial but I would like to discuss experiences, techniques and over all theory. That being said the following is how I preform an evocation.
First off a week in advance I do meditations and send energy to my third eye (if im in a pinch I just skry). Then the night of I take a ritual bath while praying to Satan for success and protection from interference. I set up my alter with my dagger and spirit seal, I have a trianlge with I AM , I WILL, I CREATE. I find this to be a powerful mantra feel free to change what you like. I preform a modified banishing rite of the dark lord, I'll share it will you all at a later date. I preform a bit of meditation on the spirit i intend on calling forth, then I open my eyes and do a soft gaze at the seal and chant it's name for about 2 minutes, depending on the spirit I will either use an enochian call that I made (sorry can't share that) or a generic "I summon ye here oh spirit N by the blah blah blah". Once the spirit appears I usually ask it to agree to tell me the whole truth and set consequences if either of us lies, I proceed with asking what I want, I banish and then I usually watch TV or something.
Discuss:
Experiences
Technique
Theory
Why soilwork could be labeled insane.
Questions?
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 7:05 pm
Hrm. Very interesting. Let's see here...
Since I am LaVeyan... Since I am atheistic, I tend to only use evocation for an inspirational source in all honesty. I thrive off of the fantasy and emotional undertones of the stories of different demons. Among my favorite is Lilith, which I think you may have heard of... The story of her creation in equality with Adam, her rebellion against Adam and God, and her adoption of demonic power are most inspirational. I typically attempt to evoke the emotions and images that come with her story. Such a source works well for compassion and/or destruction rituals.
I suppose it helps that I have an almost over-active imagination, and virtually anything can serve as an emotionally strengthening source...
Let me see... Why SoilWork could be considered insane, hm? Well, I'm sure many would argue that being a Satanist alone would make you insane... But amongst Satanists, I'd say that... It's probably got to be your immediate draw to the television directly after your ritual. whee
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Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 3:15 am
PirateEire Hrm. Very interesting. Let's see here... Since I am LaVeyan... Since I am atheistic, I tend to only use evocation for an inspirational source in all honesty. I thrive off of the fantasy and emotional undertones of the stories of different demons. Among my favorite is Lilith, which I think you may have heard of... The story of her creation in equality with Adam, her rebellion against Adam and God, and her adoption of demonic power are most inspirational. I typically attempt to evoke the emotions and images that come with her story. Such a source works well for compassion and/or destruction rituals. I suppose it helps that I have an almost over-active imagination, and virtually anything can serve as an emotionally strengthening source... Let me see... Why SoilWork could be considered insane, hm? Well, I'm sure many would argue that being a Satanist alone would make you insane... But amongst Satanists, I'd say that... It's probably got to be your immediate draw to the television directly after your ritual. whee heh the TV serves as a grounding, since you need to be in a slightly altered state of mind to do any ritual to success, the TV serves to bring me back to the mundane world. Also i have considered working with lilith but i just never have a reason, you should try it and let us know how it goes.
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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 7:10 pm
To give us a more well-rounded idea of your beliefs, perhaps you could explain (not necessarily in this thread) where you get your ideas for rituals. Do you follow a particular tradition, and/or are there any texts (other than the aforementioned Goetia) you find useful? Also, what exactly are your thoughts on Satan, and how does it compare to the Christian idea of Satan? Do you call upon lesser dieties/demons within your rituals, or everyday life, and if so, are there any in particular you find yourself drawn to? In what fashion do they normally appear for you? Quote: then I usually watch TV or something. Ugh, television. I refuse to watch it. It steals your soul! xp Mmm, I like that. P.S. Thanks for admitting me wink
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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 7:21 pm
KerriganBryce To give us a more well-rounded idea of your beliefs, perhaps you could explain (not necessarily in this thread) where you get your ideas for rituals. Do you follow a particular tradition, and/or are there any texts (other than the aforementioned Goetia) you find useful? Also, what exactly are your thoughts on Satan, and how does it compare to the Christian idea of Satan? Do you call upon lesser dieties/demons within your rituals, or everyday life, and if so, are there any in particular you find yourself drawn to? In what fashion do they normally appear for you? Quote: then I usually watch TV or something. Ugh, television. I refuse to watch it. It steals your soul! xp Mmm, I like that. P.S. Thanks for admitting me wink Perhaps one day I shall make a thread about my beliefes, other than that I'll stick to PM's. As for the questions, the spirits appearance all depends on what I have done to prepare, If i send energy to my third eye for a week then I see the entity without a skrying device or going into a trance, since im a firm beleiver in you get out what you put into a ritual. But if im in a pinch and don't use a skrying device i don't physically see the spirit but if i were to close my eyes then I would get mental images of the entities appearance (or whatever form they choose to manifest in), and sometimes they use images to convey information. If I were to use a skyring device such as a black mirrior they appear in whatever form they wish, but it is always clear and they seem more comfortable. Finally I thank you for the compliment about "I AM, I WILL, I CREATE" but I cannot take credit for it, a woman from occultforums told me about it. And you are most welcome in this guild! [edit] Keri do you practice any form of evocation or spirit communication?
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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 7:48 pm
Quote: do you practice any form of evocation or spirit communication? Currently, no. I am quite interested in it though, have been since I was a child, really. I have been studying different practices for a while, but I feel I must be more certain about what my particular views on magic and ritual are before I begin. I will wait until I have a more concrete idea of what direction I would like to head; I don't believe in exclusively using other's rituals, especially considering I am unexperienced in the matter. I would be looking for trouble if I did that!
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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 8:12 pm
KerriganBryce Quote: do you practice any form of evocation or spirit communication? Currently, no. I am quite interested in it though, have been since I was a child, really. I have been studying different practices for a while, but I feel I must be more certain about what my particular views on magic and ritual are before I begin. I will wait until I have a more concrete idea of what direction I would like to head; I don't believe in exclusively using other's rituals, especially considering I am unexperienced in the matter. I would be looking for trouble if I did that! Ok cool, if you have any questions or need help please don't heistate to ask me about it, you'll love evocation once you start. I'd love to know your current views if you don't mind, you can PM me them if you don't want to post here or make a thread.
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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 2:57 pm
I supose I'd be considered atheist, however I'm fully aware of, and communicate with quite frequently, spiritual entities. I just am reluctant to see them as gods. In fact, it's just akward to think of it as such for me.
In my experience, I have played host to at least one of the four most powerful original creations, and my friend has been host to on a regular basis three of six, with other friends of mine consistent host to the remaining two, the final being sealed until just recently.
What I'm getting at is that I would love to try evocation, but I don't know the basics. If someone is willing to walk me through it, I'd be forever grateful.
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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 7:24 pm
Marubaii I supose I'd be considered atheist, however I'm fully aware of, and communicate with quite frequently, spiritual entities. I just am reluctant to see them as gods. In fact, it's just akward to think of it as such for me. In my experience, I have played host to at least one of the four most powerful original creations, and my friend has been host to on a regular basis three of six, with other friends of mine consistent host to the remaining two, the final being sealed until just recently. What I'm getting at is that I would love to try evocation, but I don't know the basics. If someone is willing to walk me through it, I'd be forever grateful. You may be a religious Satanist then. The most basic differences between the different kinds of Satanists are what they view Satan to be. Beyond that, they typically share a philosophy... Atheistic Satanists believe Satan to be an archetype. They do not believe in supernatural/omnipotent beings. Theistic Satanists believe Satan to be a deity. They typically believe in many other deities as well. Religious Satanists believe Satan to be a force of nature, or a lingering concept that takes no physical or superphysical form. You might be a theistic Satanist from the sounds of it, Marubaii.
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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 8:20 pm
I'm something of a theistic/atheistic satanist.. mostly a mix of the two.. I believe he's an archetype, but at the same time, I think that there are some supernatural beings/entities. LaVey once wrote about conjuring spirits, communicating with demons and etc. Mostly that was for ritual, and it wasn't so much literal, but that's kind of where I agree with him...
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 9:57 am
PirateEire Marubaii I supose I'd be considered atheist, however I'm fully aware of, and communicate with quite frequently, spiritual entities. I just am reluctant to see them as gods. In fact, it's just akward to think of it as such for me. In my experience, I have played host to at least one of the four most powerful original creations, and my friend has been host to on a regular basis three of six, with other friends of mine consistent host to the remaining two, the final being sealed until just recently. What I'm getting at is that I would love to try evocation, but I don't know the basics. If someone is willing to walk me through it, I'd be forever grateful. You may be a religious Satanist then. The most basic differences between the different kinds of Satanists are what they view Satan to be. Beyond that, they typically share a philosophy... Atheistic Satanists believe Satan to be an archetype. They do not believe in supernatural/omnipotent beings. Theistic Satanists believe Satan to be a deity. They typically believe in many other deities as well. Religious Satanists believe Satan to be a force of nature, or a lingering concept that takes no physical or superphysical form. You might be a theistic Satanist from the sounds of it, Marubaii. Thankyou for the explination. I'm sure it would've taken me far longer to figure it out on my own. The last part seems to fit my beliefs best, though as I see satan to be a force of nature, I still realize it to have a physical manifestation as well... My deal is more that I get that it's there, I just don't really think praying will do much good other than to focus one's own mind toward the subject, versus having the diety actually answer.... Prayer can be a usefull to in it's own right, I just don't really use that particular tool ( worship isn't my cup o' tea). Does that fall under any category? Becasue I somehow don't think it does.
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:32 pm
Marubaii PirateEire Marubaii I supose I'd be considered atheist, however I'm fully aware of, and communicate with quite frequently, spiritual entities. I just am reluctant to see them as gods. In fact, it's just akward to think of it as such for me. In my experience, I have played host to at least one of the four most powerful original creations, and my friend has been host to on a regular basis three of six, with other friends of mine consistent host to the remaining two, the final being sealed until just recently. What I'm getting at is that I would love to try evocation, but I don't know the basics. If someone is willing to walk me through it, I'd be forever grateful. You may be a religious Satanist then. The most basic differences between the different kinds of Satanists are what they view Satan to be. Beyond that, they typically share a philosophy... Atheistic Satanists believe Satan to be an archetype. They do not believe in supernatural/omnipotent beings. Theistic Satanists believe Satan to be a deity. They typically believe in many other deities as well. Religious Satanists believe Satan to be a force of nature, or a lingering concept that takes no physical or superphysical form. You might be a theistic Satanist from the sounds of it, Marubaii. Thankyou for the explination. I'm sure it would've taken me far longer to figure it out on my own. The last part seems to fit my beliefs best, though as I see satan to be a force of nature, I still realize it to have a physical manifestation as well... My deal is more that I get that it's there, I just don't really think praying will do much good other than to focus one's own mind toward the subject, versus having the diety actually answer.... Prayer can be a usefull to in it's own right, I just don't really use that particular tool ( worship isn't my cup o' tea). Does that fall under any category? Becasue I somehow don't think it does. I suppose that would fall into the theistic category, if im understanding the question correctly. A friend of mine sees Satan as more of a pal than a god, and I wouldn't consider him any less of a Satanist. Sorta the same deal. Hope that helped.
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 7:15 pm
SoilWork Marubaii PirateEire Marubaii I supose I'd be considered atheist, however I'm fully aware of, and communicate with quite frequently, spiritual entities. I just am reluctant to see them as gods. In fact, it's just akward to think of it as such for me. In my experience, I have played host to at least one of the four most powerful original creations, and my friend has been host to on a regular basis three of six, with other friends of mine consistent host to the remaining two, the final being sealed until just recently. What I'm getting at is that I would love to try evocation, but I don't know the basics. If someone is willing to walk me through it, I'd be forever grateful. You may be a religious Satanist then. The most basic differences between the different kinds of Satanists are what they view Satan to be. Beyond that, they typically share a philosophy... Atheistic Satanists believe Satan to be an archetype. They do not believe in supernatural/omnipotent beings. Theistic Satanists believe Satan to be a deity. They typically believe in many other deities as well. Religious Satanists believe Satan to be a force of nature, or a lingering concept that takes no physical or superphysical form. You might be a theistic Satanist from the sounds of it, Marubaii. Thankyou for the explination. I'm sure it would've taken me far longer to figure it out on my own. The last part seems to fit my beliefs best, though as I see satan to be a force of nature, I still realize it to have a physical manifestation as well... My deal is more that I get that it's there, I just don't really think praying will do much good other than to focus one's own mind toward the subject, versus having the diety actually answer.... Prayer can be a usefull to in it's own right, I just don't really use that particular tool ( worship isn't my cup o' tea). Does that fall under any category? Becasue I somehow don't think it does. I suppose that would fall into the theistic category, if im understanding the question correctly. A friend of mine sees Satan as more of a pal than a god, and I wouldn't consider him any less of a Satanist. Sorta the same deal. Hope that helped. It did indeed. Now I just have to do my best to keep my mouth shut. Discussing religion and all is one of my favorite things to do on gaia, and I don't think it would go over too well for my purposes to bring it up...
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