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Toothsome Conversationalist
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 Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 2:42 am
On my latest HP6 re-read, I found what one may call "evidence" that Fred and George could be working - voluntarily or otherwise - for Lord Voldemort. Things like the edible Dark Marks and the "U-No-Poo" play on words made Molly quite uneasy ("They'll be murdered in their beds!"), but the twins are quite casual about making Death Eater-related profits. This alone, of course, means absolutely nothing. When have Fred and George ever really been the type to not make the joke?
What first got me started thinking about it, actually, was Arthur's new position in the ministry, and the parents Weasley questioning whether their own sons would try to pass off a potentially harmful product as something to ward off dark magic (U.S. edition, Hardcover, p.87). The biggest "hint" of all came toward the end of the book. Ron tells Harry that Draco had used Peruvian Darkness Powder, purchased from Weasley's Wizard Wheezes, against members of the D.A. outside the Room of Requirement. Ron then goes on to say, "I'm going to be having a word with them about who they let buy their products."
It seems harmless enough. Fred and George are an entreprenuial pair, and would not likely pass on a sale, but they know Malfoy, and the fact that he's prepetually up to no good. They also know his family's history, and that Malfoy should never be in need of something to conceal himself from Death Eaters, as the products are meant to be sold for.
The final tidbit that could possibly support this higly theoretical argument comes to us in the form of a red herring on page 401.
"So you think Slughorn's a Death Eater?" said Ginny.
"Anything's possible," said Fred darkly.
"He could be under the Imperious Curse," said George.
(the italics, of course, are my own)
Indeed, Fred and George, indeed.
Of course after flirting with the idea of the twins on the Dark side a little, I laughed at myself and continued to pick apart my book in different ways. I prefer much more the Tonks-Is-A-Death-Eater theory to the one I've mapped out above, but I did have fun with this one. Do you ever come up with these wild, Luna Lovegood-style conspiracy theories?
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Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 2:49 pm
SweetMelissa On my latest HP6 re-read, I found what one may call "evidence" that Fred and George could be working - voluntarily or otherwise - for Lord Voldemort. Things like the edible Dark Marks and the "U-No-Poo" play on words made Molly quite uneasy ("They'll be murdered in their beds!"), but the twins are quite casual about making Death Eater-related profits. This alone, of course, means absolutely nothing. When have Fred and George ever really been the type to not make the joke? What first got me started thinking about it, actually, was Arthur's new position in the ministry, and the parents Weasley questioning whether their own sons would try to pass off a potentially harmful product as something to ward off dark magic (U.S. edition, Hardcover, p.87). The biggest "hint" of all came toward the end of the book. Ron tells Harry that Draco had used Peruvian Darkness Powder, purchased from Weasley's Wizard Wheezes, against members of the D.A. outside the Room of Requirement. Ron then goes on to say, "I'm going to be having a word with them about who they let buy their products." I think most of what you are picking up on is the Fred and George's blurred vision when it comes to what is moral behavior. They are also Gryffindors after all, so I think their provoking Voldemort is more of an act of foolish "bravery". SweetMelissa It seems harmless enough. Fred and George are an entrepreneurial pair, and would not likely pass on a sale, but they know Malfoy, and the fact that he's perpetually up to no good. They also know his family's history, and that Malfoy should never be in need of something to conceal himself from Death Eaters, as the products are meant to be sold for. Here you may be onto something, because they don't let go of a grudge easily, and since Malfoy was the reason for their quidditch ban I can see them throwing things at him while he walks past their storefront, but definitely not letting him in. But then again they seemed pretty desperate for money for while, like when they blackmailed Bagman, but then again they had money by then. SweetMelissa The final tidbit that could possibly support this highly theoretical argument comes to us in the form of a red herring on page 401. "So you think Slughorn's a Death Eater?" said Ginny. "Anything's possible," said Fred darkly.
"He could be under the Imperious Curse," said George. (the italics, of course, are my own) Indeed, Fred and George, indeed. Here I think this might be evidence against it, because if they were Death Eaters the last thing they would do would be speculate about others being Death Eaters, that would bring attention to the subject, and the twins are masters of diversion. SweetMelissa Of course after flirting with the idea of the twins on the Dark side a little, I laughed at myself and continued to pick apart my book in different ways. I prefer much more the Tonks-Is-A-Death-Eater theory to the one I've mapped out above, but I did have fun with this one. Do you ever come up with these wild, Luna Lovegood-style conspiracy theories? I loved the Tonks-Is-A-Death-Eater theory by the way. Everyone needs to let their Luna out once in a while, they are fun to come up with.
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Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 10:15 pm
SweetMelissa Ron tells Harry that Draco had used Peruvian Darkness Powder, purchased from Weasley's Wizard Wheezes, against members of the D.A. outside the Room of Requirement. Ron then goes on to say, "I'm going to be having a word with them about who they let buy their products." It seems harmless enough. Fred and George are an entreprenuial pair, and would not likely pass on a sale, but they know Malfoy, and the fact that he's prepetually up to no good. They also know his family's history, and that Malfoy should never be in need of something to conceal himself from Death Eaters, as the products are meant to be sold for. Draco could have used their Owl Order service to get the Peruvian Darkness Powder We know that WWW has an Owl Order service from Hermione. We also know from PoA that Owl Order doesn't go very far in the area of security. Sirius, with all of the security measures taken in attemps to capture him, was able to get a Firebolt delivered to Hogwarts by using someone else's name. So it may not be the twins' fault that Draco got the Darkness Powder. Yes, I come up with these crazy theories that are backed up by canon. I've just noticed that most of them concern HBP.
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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 10:47 am
flying_wings Draco could have used their Owl Order service to get the Peruvian Darkness Powder We know that WWW has an Owl Order service from Hermione. We also know from PoA that Owl Order doesn't go very far in the area of security. Sirius, with all of the security measures taken in attemps to capture him, was able to get a Firebolt delivered to Hogwarts by using someone else's name. So it may not be the twins' fault that Draco got the Darkness Powder. However, there's nothing in the canon to suggest that the darkness powder, like the love potions girls were purchasing, would come in surreptitious packaging, and there was still a blanket ban on all items coming from the shop. While it's true that Draco could have ordered it in another name, it would have been found upon arrival to the school and likely never made it to him. I find it more likely, if it were to be smuggled in, that one of the death eaters that came through the Vanishing Cabinet had bought it from the twins before going to Borgin and Burkes. However, I think the likelihood of one of them doing such is pretty slim. Death Eaters seem to have a certain self-importance about them that would not likely find them browsing around a joke shop.
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Toothsome Conversationalist
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 7:06 pm
Okay, I don't know why the twins let Malfoy buy the darkness powder, but I have a few questions. If the twins are Death Eaters (on their free will that is), what would be in it for them? Fred and George are sort of the people who aren't going to help you if they don't gain anything from it. And another thing, if they are Death Eaters, why are they making shield cloaks and other things for the Ministry? True, these cloaks don't block Unforgivable cures. Just a thought...
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 6:09 pm
oh get off it none of the weaselys are death eaters the closest you'll get is chamber and the posessed ginny
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Toothsome Conversationalist
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:47 am
JewelWoods oh get off it none of the weaselys are death eaters the closest you'll get is chamber and the posessed ginny Get off it, huh? If you were able to finish the original post, you'd see that even I don't take myself seriously. rolleyes
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 5:07 pm
SweetMelissa flying_wings Draco could have used their Owl Order service to get the Peruvian Darkness Powder We know that WWW has an Owl Order service from Hermione. We also know from PoA that Owl Order doesn't go very far in the area of security. Sirius, with all of the security measures taken in attemps to capture him, was able to get a Firebolt delivered to Hogwarts by using someone else's name. So it may not be the twins' fault that Draco got the Darkness Powder. However, there's nothing in the canon to suggest that the darkness powder, like the love potions girls were purchasing, would come in surreptitious packaging, and there was still a blanket ban on all items coming from the shop. While it's true that Draco could have ordered it in another name, it would have been found upon arrival to the school and likely never made it to him. I find it more likely, if it were to be smuggled in, that one of the death eaters that came through the Vanishing Cabinet had bought it from the twins before going to Borgin and Burkes. However, I think the likelihood of one of them doing such is pretty slim. Death Eaters seem to have a certain self-importance about them that would not likely find them browsing around a joke shop. Romilda Vane got a love potion through. Probably from WWW.
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Toothsome Conversationalist
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Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 7:38 am
Andatariel SweetMelissa flying_wings Draco could have used their Owl Order service to get the Peruvian Darkness Powder We know that WWW has an Owl Order service from Hermione. We also know from PoA that Owl Order doesn't go very far in the area of security. Sirius, with all of the security measures taken in attemps to capture him, was able to get a Firebolt delivered to Hogwarts by using someone else's name. So it may not be the twins' fault that Draco got the Darkness Powder. However, there's nothing in the canon to suggest that the darkness powder, like the love potions girls were purchasing, would come in surreptitious packaging, and there was still a blanket ban on all items coming from the shop. While it's true that Draco could have ordered it in another name, it would have been found upon arrival to the school and likely never made it to him. I find it more likely, if it were to be smuggled in, that one of the death eaters that came through the Vanishing Cabinet had bought it from the twins before going to Borgin and Burkes. However, I think the likelihood of one of them doing such is pretty slim. Death Eaters seem to have a certain self-importance about them that would not likely find them browsing around a joke shop. Romilda Vane got a love potion through. Probably from WWW. Perhaps what I wrote wasn't clear enough. Yes, we know that Romilda Vane and about a dozen other girls got love potions from the twins' shop. Part of the twins' service for the love potion was putting them in a disguisable bottle. However, that was not part of the service for the DADA products they were selling.
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:38 am
Someone posted this in another thread of mine...
When Fred and George were setting the table, a knife stabbed itself into the table right where Sirius's hand had been. Later in the story, Sirius dies.
And I don't agree so much with the next part, but it's a pretty good theory.
In the Burrow, Hermione is looking at a telescope (I think) and it punches her in the eye, giving her a huge bruise that won't go away. The telescope was Fred and George's from their jokeshop.
The person was all like "and that is why Hermione will die." I really should just quote them, I think I will later.
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Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 6:06 pm
So people who are accidentally injured or nearly injured by the twins are marked for death? Interesting, but it seems a little far-fetched.
I don't think the twins are Death Eaters, but it's more than possible that they've been inadvertantly supplying them. It'd be personally embarassing, but most DE's are otherwise normal people who wouldn't cause a stir shopping in a joke store. Remember that we only know the identies of about half of them.
Another, somewhat abstract, thought is that they could be getting things through the Ministry. There were DE's in the Ministry during the first war, Macnair got his job there afterwards... Who's to say there isn't at least one we haven't heard about in a position to pop over to the WWW and say, 'Hey, we need some more of that Peruvian Darkness Powder and another sheld hat for the auror office', and then just pass it off to the Death Eaters instead?
If both of those failed they could always order through the post.
All of that might even be why Fred and George have gotten away with the nervy little jokes at Voldemort's expense; their merchandise was useful.
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Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 2:28 pm
Don't forget that the Weasley twins are not the only people working in WWW. They have other sales staff, as mentioned in (oh wow, that is embarrassing, complete brain-fart and I can't remember where it was mentioned ... okay the book where the Weasley family, Harry and Hermione go to WWW for the first time redface ). Knowing how busy the store is, it is not unlikely that some other staff member sold Draco, or a friend of Draco, or a DE some of the darkness powder without the twins knowing the details of the sale.
As for the Hermione-punch-to-the-eye and Sirius-knife incident, I personally believe that those are two of many situations that show just how shortsighted (?), careless (?), unconcerned (?) the twins are. They certainly didn't mean for Hermione to get a black eye, they were just storing some of their works in progress in a room where Harry happened to be staying for a brief period. As for the knife, they didn't intend for it to fall where Sirius' hand lay, they intended for it to soar gracefully to the table as they have seen their mother do on many occassions. I really doubt as to whether any of these accidents have any real value to the overall story line.
A side note for who might die in book 7, and I realize that this will cause a bunch of back-fire, but I would put my money on Ron. Why kill Hermione when you can make a bigger impact by killing off Ron, the best friend and faithful sidekick. I don't see how it fits in with plot, and the guess was made not by looking at the actual storyline but at the style of JKR's writing. It just seems more likely that someone closest to Harry would be put in peril, and Ron fits that to a tee. But that was a rambling tangent so feel free to disregard that last paragaph. wink
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