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Artistic Genocide Captain
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 Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:03 pm
Heads will roll.
Okay, So I'm the president of the Student Pagan Association on my campus. This is our first year as an actual group. First Semester as an actual group went pretty good. Did some fundraising, got officers elected, become a somewhat close-knit group, and got one new member. All was well until about three weeks from winter break, another new face shows up. Which would have been all fine and good if he wasn't such an a*****e. His nick name is bard so I'll call him that.
First meeting he came to, we didn't have an actual meeting because not many members could come. He was pretentious, arrogant and rude beyond anything I had ever experienced from another person. Yet people still wanted to give him a chance and let him stick around. Possibly a huge mistake. I was an ageist(?) because he was older than us he knew more automatically and he was always right, he treated a lot of our members poorly and tried to control every meeting by never letting others express their opinions and when they did, he called "bullshit" on them and proceeded to tell them why the are wrong. He ostracised several people in our group and drove two away. Half of us hated him, the other half liked him for some reason. He has a lot of charisma which could be a cause. Very cult leader-ish. He also uses his religion as a base to "explain" his behavior. He's a discordian, he worships and follows Eris the goddess of discord, chaos and strife.
Winter break comes and goes, a few visits to the hospital for me, but then school rolls around again and the group as to come back together. One of our officers graduated that fall, so she could no longer hold a position in the group. Most of us decided it would be a good idea to re-hold election to revamp the group as a whole. A few new people were voted in, then time came for the V.P. spot to be decided. Our current V.P. was good at her job, she got paperwork done and attended most meeting. I thought she would get revoted in but bard decided to run against her. The group was spilt down the middle on who to vote in. He won. Presidency was voted upon, I remained president.
Now, this wouldn't be much more of a problem if it hadn't been for the fact that the old V.P. hated bard so much that she quit. Another member gone. we only had 13 or so to begin with.
Now, he's in power and worse than ever. He treats no one with respect, antagonizes everyone including myself, he scares off new members, and makes a general a** of himself when the group is out volunteering or fundraising.
He's gotten so far under my skin it's ridiculous. He undermines my authority and crediblity, destroyed some of my friendships with a few members by whispering secrets in their ears about me and others, he's caused older members experienced members to quit, he's reduced our group from a friendly discussion group to us ripping at each other's throats and shouting at one another... It's ridiculous. The worst part is there's almost nothing I can do to stop him. He's tearing the group I worked so hard to establish apart at the seams. He's also done this before to other group at a different college.
I just need to rant about this... I don't know what to do. My group is getting demolished and there is nothing I can do to stop it. I need help.
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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:18 pm
People that makes their living bringing discord and distrust to others are always the ones that you never expect to find. Obviously saying something like "You should have kicked him out before he did this" would be useless. And you had no idea that it would come to be like this. If worse comes to worse, you'd have to begin anew, which is never a bad thing. It would probably be the best way if the group is being the way it is right now. I wish that it could have been more helpful, but you'll always have people here on the guild to support you. You've been an awesome captain! Never forget that.
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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:22 pm
In all honesty, I would kick him out. Which, sa you said, should have been done sooner. This man seems to be making it his life mission to bring everyone down with him. Quite frankly I find his excuse, Quote: He's a discordian, he worships and follows Eris the goddess of discord, chaos and strife. , as his only one for him being an a**. I do wonder if he simply chose to follow that goddess so that he can keep being one. As you said, Quote: He's also done this before to other group at a different college. . Would that not be incentive enough to know that he would do the same and continue doing so? In my honest opinion, you would do best to rebuild that which you had after you cut the discord of strings that bind you before you are stuck in this unhappy rut. Lest you wish to loose all that you had built.
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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:25 pm
Oh wow. I just hate when people actually like those asses! I wish I could offer some good advice, but all I have is to try to schedule a meeting between all of you or maybe just a few at a time, to discuss the changes since he came around. Maybe if you brought to light what he's done others will join you. Usually making a list of happenings helps. Usually.
And worshiping Eris has nothing to do with that. If you're gonna use your religion as a crutch you'd be better off just crawling in a hole...
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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:30 pm
If he scares off new members then the group won't survive long with him in power.
Abdicate in favor of him becoming President. Then leave the group and start a new one. All the members he drives away will rejoin you. All the new members he scares off with go to you instead. Eventually his little group will fall apart and you'll be there with yours to help pick them up again.
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Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:53 am
i have actually been in a very similar situation. i was one of the founding fathers of a fraternity at my college, and of the nin of us there was one who was always antagonistic, always the one doing the shouting or being shouted at. if there was an argument, he was a part of it one way or another.
it took three years of politics, but we eventually had a strong enough case against him that within the tenants of the fraternity constitution, we were able to kick him out. we actually had a trial system already set up (forseeing the need of it with this individual, actually) and so it was all on the table.
the specific charges could actually apply here. if you host a public event, and he acts in a manner unbecoming of an officer** of your organization, you have grounds to slap him with a warning. if it happens a second time, remove his title. a thrid time, and he is out. my suggestion is to make it fair by requiring an accusation be backed up and sanctioned by one more officer and any other two member (who may also be officers). make sure that you have a chance for him to defend himself, or else it will set a precedent for the president to kick out anyone they want. that was actually my biggest issue, because i was president for the end of sophmore year until graduation. i needed other members to have the balls to stand up to my problem without me backing them.
hopefully this helps. and since i have experience with this sort of thing, feel free to shoot me other questions.
**unbecoming of an officer: any action which would generate a negative public opinion. this could include bont not be exclusive to: making teachers have to reprimand you as a group, making peers reprimand you, making potential members leave soley on your actions, acting unsportsmanlike during competitions, cheating, lying, showing disrespect to peers.
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Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 6:04 pm
Wow you guys have a group at your college? I wonder if mine has one, I am going in the fall. I didn't know colleges had groups like that. Or is it only a few that do? I'd love to join one.
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Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:13 pm
There was one at UCR too. But I was never a member.
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:17 am
Renkon Root
If he scares off new members then the group won't survive long with him in power.
Abdicate in favor of him becoming President. Then leave the group and start a new one. All the members he drives away will rejoin you. All the new members he scares off with go to you instead. Eventually his little group will fall apart and you'll be there with yours to help pick them up again.
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