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 Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 4:37 am
become a martial artist without feeling embarrassed of walking into a school with a white belt! walk into that school wearing a middle belt! a Black Belt! take our classes online! 1 on 1 live stream with Grand Master ***** a 10th dan of **** and world champion of *****
USA **** Association $150 a month! no CONTRACT!!! EARN YOUR BELTS FAST FAST FAST!!!!!
Online Certified instructor Classes!
(this was an advertisement i saw posted on a billboard at a tournament i was at.and it brought me into a line of thought and at first i thought it was a little crazy but then i noticed many commercialized Martial art schools have online courses.
i got my own opinions on this matter but i want to know your thoughts
- compare it to training in a real dojo/dojang
-would you pay for an online class?
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Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 5:32 am
My biggest problem with this particular phenomenon lies in the fact that you have no way of knowing:
A) If that man on the screen actually studied a martial art and received organizational permission to deliver it in this milieu, and
B) Even if they are a real teacher, in order to properly teach you have to be able to closely analyze a student's technique. This is practically impossible without being able to manually correct them in person.
I'm afraid that I wouldn't devote time or money to this pursuit. With a video that can repeat, or even a book you can eventually learn to do a technique right but done this way you pretty much won't learn a thing!
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Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 1:51 pm
that was my first thought on the matter. you wont get that exact feel that you get when working hand on hand with that instructor.
now im not against watching movies or learning a technique from a step by step program (example youtube) or even this forum itself but i feel much better about learning the steps then going to my dojo where i can be watched closely by instructors and they can make any corrections to the technique where i may have made a mistake.
but just in the name of research i started looking at all these "online programs" and to me it felt like a mcdojo scam.
one i noticed was step by step DVDs each addition comes with a belt
for some reason this just screams 5 min black belt
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 5:33 am
It's a disturbing proliferation that I'm seeing as well. The "fake kwon do" online stuff probably won't teach anyone to defend themselves, which is dangerous since they could enter into a situation confident that their training is sufficient when in fact it could get them killed! Unacceptable.
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Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 3:42 pm
as i would have thought most people would be against it. though i would not mind seeing someone who is pro to online training rather than against. just to keep the debate alive. from what i noticed is some schools allow online training and some even of the renowned status.
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 10:08 am
See, I sort of agree with you guys, but on the other hand, there still are several programs that are real, and would be worth the money. I personally, am just like Quiet_Way, I hate having to learn things without a physical person being there to be able to manually correct me. However, I can still learn things, and certain people have certain effects on their students, so I guess it would all matter on what the program is, who's teaching it, and how much it is. I say, go for the middle ground. Youtube videos of stand-alone techniques, or as part of a series! biggrin
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 2:46 pm
Vaan_Hatake See, I sort of agree with you guys, but on the other hand, there still are several programs that are real, and would be worth the money. I personally, am just like Quiet_Way, I hate having to learn things without a physical person being there to be able to manually correct me. However, I can still learn things, and certain people have certain effects on their students, so I guess it would all matter on what the program is, who's teaching it, and how much it is. I say, go for the middle ground. Youtube videos of stand-alone techniques, or as part of a series! biggrin now lets bring into the question of who would you learn under if you decided to take on an online program. as i said before there are alot of renowned martial artists out there who run online programs example GracieAcademy -belt earning program from viewing some of his vids they show the technique from all areas and explain into full detail when in practice the proper application of force needed they then say for you to be watched carefully by an expert.
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 6:06 pm
I don't like the idea of an online class...I enjoy working with and teaching other students in my dojo and my Sensei is a great person...If one was to take an online class, then they wouldn't have someone to help them learn the techniques and improve in their skills...
I also don't like the fact that is said "earn belts fast" nothing comes without hard work and dedication...The speed at which someone earns a belt should be based upon how well they have learned the techniques taught...A belt shouldn't just be given to someone, it must be earned...
I agree with the other people who have posted about how does a person determine if the teacher of this online class has actually studied martial arts...How would the teacher prove his/her credibility...?
I study some techniques online from credible sources (ones that my Sensei has told me to look into) so that I may learn them and teach them at my dojo...Of course, he teaches the same techniques to me first, but I can then go back and study the material online through the videos...
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Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:01 pm
so far everyone seems to have the same insight on this topic.
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Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:15 pm
It's a fairly easy conclusion to arrive at for experienced martial artists. I think that we all know the difference between checking out a technique on YouTube and then trying it at the dojo and trying to learn an entire martial art from a dubious online source.
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 12:32 am
I don't think one could learn that well over videos and such. I find it hard trying to tell people about stuff in person. You have to keep correcting tiny issues. You could learn improper placement and such and never know until someone who knows what they are doing sees you use a technique. It's best to have a teacher there with you.
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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 2:00 pm
Quite a few of the techniques in my repertoire (primarily throws and ground grappling techniques) I learned from videos online, and also from books. Let me just say, then, that learning through an online "course" can be effective.
However.
The reason for my own success in this vein, I strongly suspect, is my prior experience working in physical schools with physical instructors. Because I have that experience, I'm better able to critique my own performance and discern what I'm doing right and what I'm doing wrong.
So, from my standpoint as both a student and an instructor, I'd have to say that online courses are viable, but only for experienced practitioners. Beginners should seek instruction at a real-world school with a legitimate instructor.
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 7:28 pm
I have a few thoughts on this, both from a business perspective and a personal one.
Some people are intimidated by other, more experienced students. I was nervous when I started. They don't want to look silly, etc. So they want to just do it at home. But in reality, you're missing out on real hands on learning. If you're alone, you have no idea whether you're really doing it correctly. And practice with another person is exponentially more helpful.
Businesswise... My dojo is a part of a large school that spans across lots of western states. Our school has never had to use online classes for money, and indeed it wouldn't make sense. Our masters run the company, and they're always flying between all of our schools to teach us an instructors so we can turn around and teach our students. None of us would have to time to get in front of a webcam. What about people in different time zones? I love my students, but I won't get up at 2 in the morning to teach one.
So at the least, the one on with Master __x__ is hokey. It has to be.
On a side note, my school has dvds for each belt rank so they can practice at home. But its a supplement to in dojo learning.
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Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 10:27 pm
I agree with all of the above. My sensei emails monthly videos which go over the curriculum we are learning that month, but nobody can only use the videos... They are a supplement so that you can practice at home in between your classes. As for online.... it is crap. As everyone else said, there is no way of knowing the credentials of the guy in the video, or if you are doing it right, not like getting to practice on a real person at a dojo, to develop physical strength and coordination, and know that you're being taught how to do it the right way.
As for one more thing I noticed about that ad... there is ABSOLUTELY NO SHAME in walking into a dojo with a white belt. Sure, many of the other students might be more advanced than you, but they've been there longer. You will reach their level before too long, if you practice and apply yourself to learning.
I started as a white belt in karate, as a 21 year old in the midst of children who were mostly ages 6-12, with one 16 year old. I was not ashamed, or afraid of what they might think, being an adult beginner in a children's karate class. All of them were at least one or two ranks ahead of me, as this was a basic training class. Now I am a new orange belt, and I have been bumped up to the advanced class of kids mostly 9-12, with one 15 year old, all of which are purple belt and above. So I am still far below all of them in rank, but I do my best and learn all I can, and it's working out really well for me. I am able to keep up with the more rigorous training and execute the new kinds of moves I am taught without anyone holding my hand. I am challenged, which is great for me as it only gives me more room to grow. There is no shame in being new to something - everyone has been there before.
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