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La Veuve Zin

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:40 pm


I just got a new job (go me), and today I went for my physical and drug test. During the physical, the nurse asked me what meds I was taking, and I told her doxepin and prozac for depression.

Then she asked me if I was "stable."

me: "Excuse me?"
nurse dipshit: "Is your depression...you know, being managed? Are you stable enough, you aren't suicidal or anything?"

I turned beet red and managed a "....yes, I'm...stable..."

And I thought to myself, oh ******** no, you can't deny me a job based on mental illness. And I asked her if she was allowed to ask me questions like that.

She was. So I had to shut up.

Oh, but that's not all.

During the next part of the physical, I had another nurse come in and she did some other stuff and had me sign a bunch of papers. One of the things I had to sign was the sheet the first nurse was filling out about my current conditions and the meds I was taking.

What do I see written next to Emotional/Behavioral Disorders? "became agitated and questioning." (agitated was spelled wrong)

Agitated?? Okay, so I don't want to discuss my mental illness with a total stranger who isn't a psychiatrist, is that so crazy and weird of me?? I spoke in a perfectly calm voice for the situation, I didn't yell or even raise my voice. I didn't even sound pissed off, for ******** sake, I was humiliated!! And now this b***h tries to make me sound easily agitated??

After a few minutes of debating in my head, I spoke up to the other nurse and in my calmest, politest voice objected to the first one's characterizing me as agitated. She told me that it was all confidential, and I told her yes, I know, but I don't want to be branded as an easily agitated person just because I'm not completely comfortable discussing my depression!

Just more proof that you can know everything about medicine and still be totally ignorant about mental illness.

And if that bullshit wasn't enough, I took a look at my medical records and found that during a physical I had when I was 20 the doctor wrote that I have bipolar disorder. I have NEVER been diagnosed as bipolar. I don't know where this assclown got the idea that I was. I never even knew it had gone down in my records. First thing tomorrow I'm calling the clinic and screaming at someone. Eh, maybe I shouldn't scream... gonk

For ******** sake, normal people get angry! Why is it when something annoys us we're suddenly ZOMG TEH PSYCO!111!!1 stressed


anyway, thanks for letting me vent....assuming this isn't deleted...
PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 8:38 pm


I totally sypathize...i feel i can't act the slightest bit annoyed because people assume my next step is a machte in thier eye. average people get upset and it understopod but if you have a mental illness they take any form dissatisfaction of indictaion that youre totally "unstable". Thats BS.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 9:27 pm


I worry sometimes that if I get a job that I'll be dissmissed, because of my anxiety diagnosis, but then again I also worry about losing it because I wasn't stable. And I have to make sure they know that I'm on certain things. For instance klonopin, because it's known to be an addictive substance, so it might show up on my drug test. I'm not addicted though.
PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 2:10 pm


Oh my goodness! What a horribly degrading experience! I can't believe how much disrespect they put you through! What company was this that makes you go through that? How insulting! I bet they wouldn't presume to write down their own personal biases towards a physically disabled person! I still can't believe she was allowed to ask those things. I would have refused to answer and gotten some big ol' "NON-COOPERATIVE" mark on my paper or something.

I hope you never have to go through something like that again.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 11:59 am


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Oh my goodness! What a horribly degrading experience! I can't believe how much disrespect they put you through! What company was this that makes you go through that? How insulting! I bet they wouldn't presume to write down their own personal biases towards a physically disabled person! I still can't believe she was allowed to ask those things. I would have refused to answer and gotten some big ol' "NON-COOPERATIVE" mark on my paper or something.

I hope you never have to go through something like that again.


This was Kaleida Health--as I said, they may know physical illness, but apparently not mental. I'd complain, but the person I'm complaining to might not understand either! scream
PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 2:28 pm


La Veuve Zin
I'd complain, but the person I'm complaining to might not understand either! scream


I understand. It's a tough choice, and it depends on your priorities. If you really, really need this job, you might choose to keep your mouth shut on this horrible disrespect. But if you could go for a different job, I'd raise hell!

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 7:50 am


You know what, I'll mention it to my shrink and maybe she'll talk to them...
PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 9:05 am


thats a good idea

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:03 am


That's really screwed up. She doesn't have any right to brand you as a 'psycho'.

If it happens again, just say that yes you are stable, but you don't feel comfortable talking about depression. Maybe you were agitated - But you had a ******** reason to be, and your future employer should understand that.
PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 5:20 pm


yes i know what you mean about the whole thing thats pretty messed up first because they can't stop you from haveing a job because your depression... and second ... are they even allowed to put that in there records? are they even allowed to diagnose you?...i would have yelled but then again that would have made the matters worse...that makes me mad


*black-nine*

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:41 pm


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People with mental illness have often been victimized by questions on job applications or in job interviews about past treatment or hospitalization for mental illness. Guidelines recently published by the U.S Equal Employment Opportunities Commission (EEOC) establish that private employers with 15 or more employees who ask such questions prior to a formal job offer are violating Title I of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA).

Although the ADA statute expressly prohibits employers from inquiring about disabilities prior to an offer of employment, the specific legal parameters of what employers can and cannot ask and what types of tests can and cannot be administered before an employment offer have been unclear. Published on May 19, 1994, the EEOC guidelines are intended to provide technical assistance to EEOC investigators for these important ADA issues.

As a general rule, the guidelines establish that pre-job-offer questions or tests that are reasonably expected to elicit or reveal information about the existence of a disability cannot be asked; therefore, direct questions about current or past treatment for mental illness would clearly violate the ADA. Additionally, questions about prescription drugs would violate the ADA because responses would tend to reveal information about specific conditions or disorders.

The guidelines allow employers to ask questions about an applicant's general ability to perform the essential functions of the specific job for which he or she is applying. For example, an employer may ask if an applicant is able to meet the attendance requirements of a specific job. The employer may also inquire about the extent of leave taken in a previous job, although questions about why leave was taken are prohibited.

The guidelines further prohibit employers from asking a series of questions likely to elicit information about the presence of a disability, even if one of the questions--by itself--would be permitted. For example, an employer may ask pre-offer questions about ability to handle stress if coping with stress is essential to successful performance of the job being applied for.

However, if this question were followed by a question concerning the impact of stress on the applicant's health, this series of two questions would probably be viewed as violating the ADA because of the likelihood that certain responses would elicit information about the existence of a psychiatric disability.

The guidelines make an exception for questions about current or past use of illegal drugs. Such questions are expressly permitted in the ADA statute, and tests for illegal drugs prior to tendering employment offers are also permitted. However, questions about the extent of current or past illegal drug use are not permitted because they are viewed as eliciting information about disability.

If an applicant voluntarily discloses information about his or her disability, the employer is nevertheless precluded from asking for further information about the disability prior to a job offer. For example, an employer may not ask an applicant to provide details about his or her mental illness even if the applicant has voluntarily disclosed that he or she suffers from mental illness.

The EEOC guidelines also prohibit all pre-job-offer medical examinations. Medical examinations (as defined in EEOC guidelines) include all "procedures or tests that seek information about the existence, nature or severity of an individual's physical or mental health impairment." Therefore, psychiatric and psychological evaluations would appear to be prohibited because these elicit information about psychiatric disabilities.

Certain types of aptitude tests may be permissible as long as they are narrowly constructed to evaluate the ability to perform essential functions of the particular job applied for.

After an applicant receives a bona fide offer of employment, the employer is permitted to inquire into the candidate's medical and psychiatric history or to require the candidate to complete a test or medical examination as long as all candidates in the same job category are subjected to the same inquiries, tests, or examinations.

However, an employer who withdraws an offer of employment based on post-offer inquires or tests must prove that the decision to do so was based on evidence that the candidate would be unable to perform the essential functions of the job in question.

Although the guidelines are extensive (approximately 50 pages) and offer numerous examples intended to clarify their meaning, specific issues or controversies that are not clearly addressed are certain to arise and will have to be determined on a case-by-case basis.

Even though people with mental illnesses certainly continue to face discrimination in employment and in all areas of community life, these guidelines are a significant step toward protecting them from being victimized by the types of pre-employment questions and inquiries that have historically helped preclude them from appropriate employment opportunities.

The EEOC guidelines were published in the May 19, 1994, issue of the Federal Register. Copies can be obtained by writing to:

Office of Communications and Legislative Affairs
Equal Employment Opportunity Commission
1801 L Street, NW
Washington, DC 20507

by Ron Honberg
director, NAMI Legal Affairs

NAMI EEOC Changes Guides
PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:46 pm



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:05 pm


Thank you kindly, fletchen!
PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:10 am


Sue for billions, and never work again.


Thats a joke. Dont take it seriously. ^-^;

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:48 am


One of the things I've discovered helps with bullshit is to establish a venting routine. I had to find something that's non-destructive, of course (my home has a few holes in the walls where I pushed something through or ripped something out in a fit of anger), but for me it's violent video games. Specifically, the kind where you're using either a mouse or a gun to shoot people.

Sounds crazy, right?

Except it's not. Everyone has their own little weird coping habits. I used to drink, for example, a much more common thing than using videogames for sure.

But what that allows you to do is approach work with a cooler head. Works for me that way, anyway. And you have a right (a moral right as well as a legal right) to stand up to any employer and say, "I am smart enough and strong enough to control myself with the resources I have. I can do work and do it well; I can do good work and do it wonderfully. Give me the opportunity and I'll show you."
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