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 Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 8:34 am
my gourami's scales are all puffed out, not against his body. i have no idea what caused this or how to ix it. my other red gourami did the same thing right before it died but i thought that was caused by the horrible water quality since my family didnt clean my tank for a few months. ive been doing water changes every week and no one else is acting any different.
other than the weird scale thing he is acting perfectly normal and still wants to see what im up to all the time. still eating fine too.
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Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 11:38 am
Is his tummy bloated? It could be Dropsy. One of my Bettas has it, and he is a rare case that it doesnt effect his everyday life. It is usually fatal, and the fish usually only lives a few weeks once they start pineconing. Its caused by poor water conditions, so I would say this started before you got your fish back, and its just now starting to show. As long as he is still acting normal, there isnt too much of a concern. Either way, its not conageous, and the only thing you can do is keep the fish on a very stickt diet, and give it very clean water.
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Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:00 pm
i havent noticed any bloating but its hard to tell since he is so puffed up. my other one that did it was very bloated though.
is there any chance he can pull through?
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Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 1:03 pm
If he's pin-coning/ scales protruding from his body its more than likely dropsy like akari said and is usually lethal. I wouldn't recommend meds at this point. What I would do is put him in a quarantine tank and SALT the water and keep it clean. This will lessen the stress on him if you have any other fish in your main tank. Plus the salt will help him pull the water off his body which is causing the protruding and if he has a bacterial infection it'll help with that to. Unfortunately it's really hard to pull a fish back from this piont if his scales are sticking out but it may help. Right now I'm using 1/4 teaspoon of un-iodized sea salt dissolved in warm water before adding it to my 1 gallon for Mr. Moto my Betta which has been sick and bloated recently. This is helping tremendously. If that doesn't help to much, I hear you can use up to a tablespoon per gallon, but look that up before you do so if you think about doing that. I myself am not sure if it be to much. If it is dropsy and your able to pull him back from it, I would suggest using salt in his tank from now on to help pull the water off of his body because after the infection is gone if he does survive he may have kidney damage that sustains the swelling. This website below will give you some more tips on treatment if it is dropsy. Note: It states to use 2.5 teaspoons of salt for every 10 gallons, so I was wrong. You can go to the link below for more options of treatment of dropsy. I hope this helps and I wish you the best of luck. Dropsy symptoms and treatment
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Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 1:36 pm
i dont have anywhere to set up a quarentine tank for him. ive heard of people giving their fish salt baths where they let the fish spend some time in a small container with a high salt content for a small amount of time then put it back in the tank. would something like that work?
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Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 1:41 pm
I agree with the others about dropsy, although if you could get a pic that would help us confirm it a little better.
Salt baths are controversial. Some people say it helps, some say it doesn't.I once gave a betta of mine a salt bath after my crays got at her fins. It didn't help, but due to the severity of her injuries I can't say if it hurt her chances or not. It's the 20g right? When I was treating for ich I used 1/4c of salt (and a little extra) safely on my fish with no ill effects on fish or plants for about 3 weeks. Salting the entire tank with less than that shouldn't be a problem, although I don't know how I feel about preventative salting. I think it's best left for medicinal use and this certainly warrants that.
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Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 3:56 pm
I've noticed when I use a little alt for my tanks on a normal basis it seems that my Betta don't get sick as often unless it's something really severe. That's just my reference though.
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Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 5:11 pm
Hisaki Yuki001 I've noticed when I use a little alt for my tanks on a normal basis it seems that my Betta don't get sick as often unless it's something really severe. That's just my reference though. The amount of salt that will produce a therapeutic benefit for every day type use is something like 1 tsp per 300 gallons. That's why the debate rages on.
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:56 am
Vanilla eXee Hisaki Yuki001 I've noticed when I use a little alt for my tanks on a normal basis it seems that my Betta don't get sick as often unless it's something really severe. That's just my reference though. The amount of salt that will produce a therapeutic benefit for every day type use is something like 1 tsp per 300 gallons. That's why the debate rages on. True true. I used to not use salt at all in my tanks. I'm not really sure myself of how much would be preferred by a professional fish keeper even though the debate rages on. I just know tat since I started using some salt for my tanks with the tank care I do, it does seem that my fish don't get as sick as often. It also seems to help with fish recovery when my fish do get sick and I increase it by two times what I normally use. I guess everyone uses what they think they need and have seen improvements. That's probably why it still is debated a lot. I also believe it depends on the fish themselves and how it reacts with them.
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:58 am
How's your Gourami doing Shanna? Have you seen any improvements? I wish the best for him.
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 10:34 am
Hisaki Yuki001 Vanilla eXee Hisaki Yuki001 I've noticed when I use a little alt for my tanks on a normal basis it seems that my Betta don't get sick as often unless it's something really severe. That's just my reference though. The amount of salt that will produce a therapeutic benefit for every day type use is something like 1 tsp per 300 gallons. That's why the debate rages on. True true. I used to not use salt at all in my tanks. I'm not really sure myself of how much would be preferred by a professional fish keeper even though the debate rages on. I just know tat since I started using some salt for my tanks with the tank care I do, it does seem that my fish don't get as sick as often. It also seems to help with fish recovery when my fish do get sick and I increase it by two times what I normally use. I guess everyone uses what they think they need and have seen improvements. That's probably why it still is debated a lot. I also believe it depends on the fish themselves and how it reacts with them.
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 10:40 am
Vanilla eXee Hisaki Yuki001 Vanilla eXee Hisaki Yuki001 I've noticed when I use a little alt for my tanks on a normal basis it seems that my Betta don't get sick as often unless it's something really severe. That's just my reference though. The amount of salt that will produce a therapeutic benefit for every day type use is something like 1 tsp per 300 gallons. That's why the debate rages on. True true. I used to not use salt at all in my tanks. I'm not really sure myself of how much would be preferred by a professional fish keeper even though the debate rages on. I just know tat since I started using some salt for my tanks with the tank care I do, it does seem that my fish don't get as sick as often. It also seems to help with fish recovery when my fish do get sick and I increase it by two times what I normally use. I guess everyone uses what they think they need and have seen improvements. That's probably why it still is debated a lot. I also believe it depends on the fish themselves and how it reacts with them. I see. In freshwater fish, is there a way to put too much salt in their tank where it becomes toxic to them by accident? In other words, I know freshwater fish cannot live in salt water like coral reefs can and what not. Is there any warning signs that there is too much salt in the water if your using it for treatment? If so, what symptoms should I look for? I was wondering because I've never kept a saltwater tank and therefor am not sure how to mix the water for it.
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 11:06 am
Hisaki Yuki001 Vanilla eXee Hisaki Yuki001 Vanilla eXee Hisaki Yuki001 I've noticed when I use a little alt for my tanks on a normal basis it seems that my Betta don't get sick as often unless it's something really severe. That's just my reference though. The amount of salt that will produce a therapeutic benefit for every day type use is something like 1 tsp per 300 gallons. That's why the debate rages on. True true. I used to not use salt at all in my tanks. I'm not really sure myself of how much would be preferred by a professional fish keeper even though the debate rages on. I just know tat since I started using some salt for my tanks with the tank care I do, it does seem that my fish don't get as sick as often. It also seems to help with fish recovery when my fish do get sick and I increase it by two times what I normally use. I guess everyone uses what they think they need and have seen improvements. That's probably why it still is debated a lot. I also believe it depends on the fish themselves and how it reacts with them. I see. In freshwater fish, is there a way to put too much salt in their tank where it becomes toxic to them by accident? In other words, I know freshwater fish cannot live in salt water like coral reefs can and what not. Is there any warning signs that there is too much salt in the water if your using it for treatment? If so, what symptoms should I look for? I was wondering because I've never kept a saltwater tank and therefor am not sure how to mix the water for it.
When there's too much salt in the tank, your fish will start to act bothered and stressed. Losing color, being either more sluggish than usual or more active than usual. Rapid breathing, trying to get out of the tank, or red gills can be a sign that there's too much salt. If you stick to 1tbsp per 5g (or a little bit more for tough issues, but not much more) then you shouldn't have any problems, but it's always a possibility.
For saltwater tanks, there's more to it than actually just putting salt in the tank. You need to use Reverse Osmosis or Distilled water, which removes any and all additives/minerals in the water, so you then need to purchase a salt mix which has salt and other minerals to properly buffer the water for salt water fish. That or you could use sea water, but SW is another one of those things up for debate. Just like everything else in the hobby, lol.
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 11:15 am
Vanilla eXee Hisaki Yuki001 Vanilla eXee Hisaki Yuki001 Vanilla eXee Hisaki Yuki001 I've noticed when I use a little alt for my tanks on a normal basis it seems that my Betta don't get sick as often unless it's something really severe. That's just my reference though. The amount of salt that will produce a therapeutic benefit for every day type use is something like 1 tsp per 300 gallons. That's why the debate rages on. True true. I used to not use salt at all in my tanks. I'm not really sure myself of how much would be preferred by a professional fish keeper even though the debate rages on. I just know tat since I started using some salt for my tanks with the tank care I do, it does seem that my fish don't get as sick as often. It also seems to help with fish recovery when my fish do get sick and I increase it by two times what I normally use. I guess everyone uses what they think they need and have seen improvements. That's probably why it still is debated a lot. I also believe it depends on the fish themselves and how it reacts with them. I see. In freshwater fish, is there a way to put too much salt in their tank where it becomes toxic to them by accident? In other words, I know freshwater fish cannot live in salt water like coral reefs can and what not. Is there any warning signs that there is too much salt in the water if your using it for treatment? If so, what symptoms should I look for? I was wondering because I've never kept a saltwater tank and therefor am not sure how to mix the water for it.
When there's too much salt in the tank, your fish will start to act bothered and stressed. Losing color, being either more sluggish than usual or more active than usual. Rapid breathing, trying to get out of the tank, or red gills can be a sign that there's too much salt. If you stick to 1tbsp per 5g (or a little bit more for tough issues, but not much more) then you shouldn't have any problems, but it's always a possibility.
For saltwater tanks, there's more to it than actually just putting salt in the tank. You need to use Reverse Osmosis or Distilled water, which removes any and all additives/minerals in the water, so you then need to purchase a salt mix which has salt and other minerals to properly buffer the water for salt water fish. That or you could use sea water, but SW is another one of those things up for debate. Just like everything else in the hobby, lol.ok...thank you. I don't have a hygrometer either. I usually use about a 1/4 teaspoon of salt per 2.5 usually. Anything under that I usually use an 1/8 teaspoon unless I feel I need a little more. I was worried that may be too much..lol! Thank-you for the info though. ^_^
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 11:19 am
Hisaki Yuki001 Vanilla eXee Hisaki Yuki001 Vanilla eXee Hisaki Yuki001 True true. I used to not use salt at all in my tanks. I'm not really sure myself of how much would be preferred by a professional fish keeper even though the debate rages on. I just know tat since I started using some salt for my tanks with the tank care I do, it does seem that my fish don't get as sick as often. It also seems to help with fish recovery when my fish do get sick and I increase it by two times what I normally use. I guess everyone uses what they think they need and have seen improvements. That's probably why it still is debated a lot. I also believe it depends on the fish themselves and how it reacts with them. I see. In freshwater fish, is there a way to put too much salt in their tank where it becomes toxic to them by accident? In other words, I know freshwater fish cannot live in salt water like coral reefs can and what not. Is there any warning signs that there is too much salt in the water if your using it for treatment? If so, what symptoms should I look for? I was wondering because I've never kept a saltwater tank and therefor am not sure how to mix the water for it.
When there's too much salt in the tank, your fish will start to act bothered and stressed. Losing color, being either more sluggish than usual or more active than usual. Rapid breathing, trying to get out of the tank, or red gills can be a sign that there's too much salt. If you stick to 1tbsp per 5g (or a little bit more for tough issues, but not much more) then you shouldn't have any problems, but it's always a possibility.
For saltwater tanks, there's more to it than actually just putting salt in the tank. You need to use Reverse Osmosis or Distilled water, which removes any and all additives/minerals in the water, so you then need to purchase a salt mix which has salt and other minerals to properly buffer the water for salt water fish. That or you could use sea water, but SW is another one of those things up for debate. Just like everything else in the hobby, lol.ok...thank you. I don't have a hygrometer either. I usually use about a 1/4 teaspoon of salt per 2.5 usually. Anything under that I usually use an 1/8 teaspoon unless I feel I need a little more. I was worried that may be too much..lol! Thank-you for the info though. ^_^
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