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 Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 10:25 pm
So anyone have any theories??
We only know that it has to do with Dilinger Jr. and his father... Doubtful that Dilinger knew of Flynn's being digitized (and his discovery of the Grid as a consequence) as the MCP was derezzed and couldn't report back to him by the time Dilinger came in for work.. And Flynn obviously never told anyone about his expirences except Sam as Alan was his best friend and he knew nothing...
But what is Junior planning?? Is it revenge for his father being fired from Encom, but if so, why would Junior WANT to seek revenge since it was his father that was in the wrong to begin with by stealing from Flynn. All Flynn did was get justice and take back what was rightfully his. Not really a great motive for revenge if u ask me... Besides, Dilinger made his own empire in the end anyway. But maybe they're just straight up bullies..
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Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 12:00 am
Unfortunately they're probably gonna go with the revenge theme, which sucks cuz I don't want Dillinger Jr to turn out evil. He has a high position at Encom anyway, shouldn't he try to not go down the same path as his father and screw it up? I'd love to see Dillinger Jr on the grid though mrgreen
Also hope that they'll bring Tron back as his former self (they hinted at it anyway) and possibly bring Kevin back too? Alan needs to find out about the Grid...I feel bad for him, being stuck in the dark for so long lol
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Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 2:37 am
I also hope not... I mean, yeah, he's yr dad, but dad was in the wrong... and dad STILL did good by making an empire that rivaled Encom... So WHY would HE have a motive for revenge?? The only thing I can think of is that Junior is just following dad's orders and really isn't as smart as he appears or is just totally subservient to his dad...
I just cant wait to see where all this goes in the next film whee
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Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 2:46 am
Oh, and Alan fighting ALONGSIDE Tron??!!?? HOW AWESOME WOULD THAT BE?? Freakin Wicked!! I'm sure Tron will be there.. I mean, HELLO!! the movie is CALLED TRON!!! so yeahhhhh... Also hope Kevin survived the reintegration as well......
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 4:15 pm
I could understand the motivation for revenge. I mean, not only did Dillinger Sr. lose his lofty position at ENCOM, ENCOM is currently thriving. It's possible that after Dillinger Systems rivaled ENCOM, they fell apart. That would give Dillinger plenty of reason to be bitter. Maybe they're prepping a new MCP, or some kind of virus to steal information.
Also, the real-world conflict of the first movie (and the second, really) wasn't massive in scale. Some stolen games, Sam not wanting to be responsible. It's possible that the outside conflict in the next movie could just be Alan and Sam butting heads with Dillinger. ENCOM was all about games when Flynn was in charge, maybe they'll want to get back to that.
I, to would love to see Alan on the grid, but I really feel like Sam and Quorra will be the primary players in the next film. We've got a program, an ISO, in the real world. What applications does that have? Can her code really cure diseases and stuff? Users have powers on the grid, does it work the other way around? There's so much to be explored there, it really looks like they've passed the torch. They might not even bring Flynn back.
Also, I can't find that hidden Dillinger video on youtube, so if anyone has a link... It's been a while since I've seen it...
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 5:33 pm
Farber I could understand the motivation for revenge. I mean, not only did Dillinger Sr. lose his lofty position at ENCOM, ENCOM is currently thriving. It's possible that after Dillinger Systems rivaled ENCOM, they fell apart. That would give Dillinger plenty of reason to be bitter. Maybe they're prepping a new MCP, or some kind of virus to steal information. Also, the real-world conflict of the first movie (and the second, really) wasn't massive in scale. Some stolen games, Sam not wanting to be responsible. It's possible that the outside conflict in the next movie could just be Alan and Sam butting heads with Dillinger. ENCOM was all about games when Flynn was in charge, maybe they'll want to get back to that. I, to would love to see Alan on the grid, but I really feel like Sam and Quorra will be the primary players in the next film. We've got a program, an ISO, in the real world. What applications does that have? Can her code really cure diseases and stuff? Users have powers on the grid, does it work the other way around? There's so much to be explored there, it really looks like they've passed the torch. They might not even bring Flynn back. Also, I can't find that hidden Dillinger video on youtube, so if anyone has a link... It's been a while since I've seen it... Dillinger is obviously a VERY devious individual and this trait most likely passed to his son... It is hinted that Dillinger Systems wasn't "in trouble" but rather merged w/ Encom and probably by design so that Dillinger could take over once more and perhaps reintegrate a new version of the MCP. Alan did say that Edward Jr. EARNED his place at Encom in "The Next Day"... Despite gaming being a major source of income for Encom, Encom was not, however, all about games even during Flynn's time as owner/CEO. The games mentioned were already released by the time he took over and there doesn't seem to be any mention of any other "newer" game OTHER THAN Tron.. Flynn was more obsessed w/ his "digital frontier" and expanding a free and open system to the world, as evidenced by his "free Flynn OS" that is mentioned early on in Legacy. I would venture that was the main focus for Encom during his time as CEO. They were also already involved w/ the DOD and I can guarantee that part of the business never went away and that may actually play a role in the new film.. But, yeah, it could very well be that Dillinger has plans to unleash a new version of the MCP and integrate it w/ a new Encom OS, which is likely considering that Flynn... I mean.. Encom OS is the worlds number 1 OS... But all this is conjecture...
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 6:18 pm
My assumption that ENCOM continued from games comes mostly from the opening sequence of Legacy that made Flynn out to be a gaming legend, and the fact that games seemed to be Flynn's passion. But it is still an assumption. Little is said about the free operating system, either, but that can't really make money. It's sad that Betrayal says pretty much nothing about the actual software ENCOM was working on...
And the MCP in ENCOM OS? That's large scale stuff. A story like that could involve multiple systems - and the internet.
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Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 2:38 am
Farber My assumption that ENCOM continued from games comes mostly from the opening sequence of Legacy that made Flynn out to be a gaming legend, and the fact that games seemed to be Flynn's passion. But it is still an assumption. Little is said about the free operating system, either, but that can't really make money. It's sad that Betrayal says pretty much nothing about the actual software ENCOM was working on... And the MCP in ENCOM OS? That's large scale stuff. A story like that could involve multiple systems - and the internet. It can't make money, but as I said, and is shown in Betrayal, Flynn wasn't too overly concerned w/ money. What it did do is entrench Encom into the majority of the world and just further cemented Encom's status and overall power. Obviously power is something that Dillinger revels in.. Everything as far as who Flynn was and his constant pursuit of "the digital frontier" show that he never intended to ever abuse said power, but Dillinger most definitely would.. And YUP, it would be MAJOR large GLOBAL scale system stuff.. A power grab that I could easily see Dillinger wanting to do.
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:28 pm
attractive_today Unfortunately they're probably gonna go with the revenge theme, which sucks cuz I don't want Dillinger Jr to turn out evil. Unfortunately he is hot therefore: EVIL (as far as I can tell from nearly EVERY SINGLE COMIC BOOK/MOVIE EVER)
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:52 pm
Poor Cillian Murphy seems to always be cast as a bad guy sad
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 11:17 am
Bit of a tangent, but I found this a while back. Obviously, it isn't and won't ever be canon, but it's still pretty fun to watch. ovo
http://youtu.be/L_6U6YWKnMc
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:22 am
impiousLion Bit of a tangent, but I found this a while back. Obviously, it isn't and won't ever be canon, but it's still pretty fun to watch. ovo
http://youtu.be/L_6U6YWKnMc very well done... If not very thought out... The next "Sark" or whatever the new Dillinger program is named won't neccessarily look like Dillinger Sr, but most likely Dillinger Jr as HE is the programmer for the latest Encom OS and would likely have created the new MCP or "sark" program (with help from Dad, tho as Sr. is pulling his son's strings)... Also, a lightcycle couldn't be "rezzed" into our world and still be capable of leaving the light trail as it would have to follow the "real" worlds physics, just as any user or program (IE Quorra) no longer exists as they did in the Grid... Quorra didn't exactly have on the spandex lit up body suit that is tied to her vitals (as we all know the lights dim when they are injured etc) and so it wouldn't exactly be something that would be easily removed if she still existed under the same computer world rules... Also, Sam was wearing the same clothes that were destroyed and discarded when he was given his armor and ID disc, so it stands to reason that while someone or something COULD be rezzed in from the grid, it wouldn't behave as if it were on the grid... As it is, the cycles, minus Flynn's cycle or the lightrunner, are powered by the program that is riding them.. making them impossible to power in our world.. unless you perhaps physically attached yrself to it with probes or something : Anywayyyyy... rant over... well made fan film.. very full of holes as far as the established Tron universe... Liked how Sark looked at the end... End of Line
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 6:04 pm
glitched at birth impiousLion Bit of a tangent, but I found this a while back. Obviously, it isn't and won't ever be canon, but it's still pretty fun to watch. ovo
http://youtu.be/L_6U6YWKnMc very well done... If not very thought out... The next "Sark" or whatever the new Dillinger program is named won't neccessarily look like Dillinger Sr, but most likely Dillinger Jr as HE is the programmer for the latest Encom OS and would likely have created the new MCP or "sark" program (with help from Dad, tho as Sr. is pulling his son's strings)... Also, a lightcycle couldn't be "rezzed" into our world and still be capable of leaving the light trail as it would have to follow the "real" worlds physics, just as any user or program (IE Quorra) no longer exists as they did in the Grid... Quorra didn't exactly have on the spandex lit up body suit that is tied to her vitals (as we all know the lights dim when they are injured etc) and so it wouldn't exactly be something that would be easily removed if she still existed under the same computer world rules... Also, Sam was wearing the same clothes that were destroyed and discarded when he was given his armor and ID disc, so it stands to reason that while someone or something COULD be rezzed in from the grid, it wouldn't behave as if it were on the grid... As it is, the cycles, minus Flynn's cycle or the lightrunner, are powered by the program that is riding them.. making them impossible to power in our world.. unless you perhaps physically attached yrself to it with probes or something : Anywayyyyy... rant over... well made fan film.. very full of holes as far as the established Tron universe... Liked how Sark looked at the end... End of Line
Since I'm a bit picky about the whole bodysuit thing, they aren't exactly grafted into the skin of the wearer. Sure, it's possible that on the Grid, the suits are interconnected with the individual's energy, although not their vitals, since programs don't exactly have any internal anatomy as far as the Tron-verse goes (there just isn't enough information to assume anything about the physical makeup--if you can even call it that--of programs). In short, most fans gather that energy is the equivalent of food and "blood"/fuel.
And yeah, the lightcycle scene had flaws. I think the people who made the film were playing off the idea that Clu tried to bring his entire armada into the real world with Flynn's disc. Since he almost succeeded, it's really arguable if any devices/vehicles from the Grid can be rezzed into the real world--and work.
ANYWAY. I'm curious as to what they plan to do with Quorra. She's a living miracle, after all. Hope they don't exploit her or anything. >n>
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:04 am
impiousLion glitched at birth impiousLion Bit of a tangent, but I found this a while back. Obviously, it isn't and won't ever be canon, but it's still pretty fun to watch. ovo
http://youtu.be/L_6U6YWKnMc very well done... If not very thought out... The next "Sark" or whatever the new Dillinger program is named won't neccessarily look like Dillinger Sr, but most likely Dillinger Jr as HE is the programmer for the latest Encom OS and would likely have created the new MCP or "sark" program (with help from Dad, tho as Sr. is pulling his son's strings)... Also, a lightcycle couldn't be "rezzed" into our world and still be capable of leaving the light trail as it would have to follow the "real" worlds physics, just as any user or program (IE Quorra) no longer exists as they did in the Grid... Quorra didn't exactly have on the spandex lit up body suit that is tied to her vitals (as we all know the lights dim when they are injured etc) and so it wouldn't exactly be something that would be easily removed if she still existed under the same computer world rules... Also, Sam was wearing the same clothes that were destroyed and discarded when he was given his armor and ID disc, so it stands to reason that while someone or something COULD be rezzed in from the grid, it wouldn't behave as if it were on the grid... As it is, the cycles, minus Flynn's cycle or the lightrunner, are powered by the program that is riding them.. making them impossible to power in our world.. unless you perhaps physically attached yrself to it with probes or something : Anywayyyyy... rant over... well made fan film.. very full of holes as far as the established Tron universe... Liked how Sark looked at the end... End of Line
Since I'm a bit picky about the whole bodysuit thing, they aren't exactly grafted into the skin of the wearer. Sure, it's possible that on the Grid, the suits are interconnected with the individual's energy, although not their vitals, since programs don't exactly have any internal anatomy as far as the Tron-verse goes (there just isn't enough information to assume anything about the physical makeup--if you can even call it that--of programs). In short, most fans gather that energy is the equivalent of food and "blood"/fuel.
And yeah, the lightcycle scene had flaws. I think the people who made the film were playing off the idea that Clu tried to bring his entire armada into the real world with Flynn's disc. Since he almost succeeded, it's really arguable if any devices/vehicles from the Grid can be rezzed into the real world--and work.
ANYWAY. I'm curious as to what they plan to do with Quorra. She's a living miracle, after all. Hope they don't exploit her or anything. >n>Well, that's what I mean, in the computer world, their outfits aren't exactly grafted, but do have a connection with vitals that wouldn't necessarily work in our realm of physics. In the deleted 'love scene' Yori displayed that her outfit and circuit color could change but they were still a 'part' of her of that makes any sense. This would have to be something that wouldn't have to carry over to the real world once they enter it is all I mean. We basicly have yet to see a program be able to 'get naked' as it were, so I know this is mostly conjecture on my part considering how clothing works on the grid, but considering that an ID disc is pretty much a permanent attachment, it would stand to reason the base on which it attaches wouldn't be an easy removal, but who knows....
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:11 am
Oh, and when I said vitals, I really meant that it somehow displays their current energy or status in real time in a way that's visible is all.
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