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The Problem of "Vs." - the practitioner and their Art

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Triste

PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 2:58 am


The general bulk of "Vs." threads has led me to an interesting question, one of which I'm not sure has been asked that often.

What do you think would be the main determining factor in a fight? The practitioner, or their martial art style?
PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 12:07 pm


Of course the practitioner matters more that the martial style ... take muay thai vs TKD ... in essence they are trying to accomplish the same amount of damage with kicks ... both are the same but different approaches ... the practitioner is the ultimate determinant ... how much experience do they have ... do they play to their strengths ... do they follow the game plan their corner made for them ... sure styles make fights ... but you can't have a fight without any participants ...

baka_boy1221
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Triste

PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:02 am


If so, then why the obsession in discussing the virtues of two specific martial art styles and pitting them with each other? ninja
PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:38 am


Triste
If so, then why the obsession in discussing the virtues of two specific martial art styles and pitting them with each other? ninja
I believe that it is less about pitting two styles against each other than it is about an open discussion of the benefits of each style and how those benefits might be best applied when dealing with a member of the opposing style.

At least, that is the intent... sweatdrop

quiet_way
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baka_boy1221
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:47 am


quiet_way
Triste
If so, then why the obsession in discussing the virtues of two specific martial art styles and pitting them with each other? ninja
I believe that it is less about pitting two styles against each other than it is about an open discussion of the benefits of each style and how those benefits might be best applied when dealing with a member of the opposing style.

At least, that is the intent... sweatdrop


Exactly ...

The question is always there ... "what's better, who would win" ... it is one of those things that you can't stop ... not an obsession, but an inevitability ... someone will ask the question when it comes to "martial art vs martial art" ...

The great thing about this guild (generally) is that we have intelligent conversation ... sure of course in any case one will come up as brash ... can't stop that ... if one has pride or prejudice towards a martial art ... they will no doubt defend their position by any means ... they will want to see that martial art win or lose ... unfortunately ...

Besides in some case we do get really good debates, interesting match that many of us would salivate if we actually saw it ( 4laugh drunken boxing vs capoeira 4laugh ), and as quiet said benefits ... we as martial artist get to examine certain strengths and weakness of a martial art
PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:08 pm


I would think just pure entertainment to ourselves ... who wouldn't want to know ...

lady_cagefighter


Master Fearhoral
Crew

PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:26 am


i always enjoy the debates we have on the various styles i myself read each and every one of them down to the last pun comment that someone makes. and offten will think of something to add into the debate itself. ( wrestling vs boxing) seeing two different views of a style go over its strengths and weaknesses causes me to pick my brain ^_^
PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:46 am


Because the question always out there ... who wouldn't want to know ... being a muay thai practitioner ... I would like to know ... at least through debate how my style stacks up ...

ladymuaythai


Yo-ko

Hallowed Prophet

PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:24 pm


Triste
The general bulk of "Vs." threads has led me to an interesting question, one of which I'm not sure has been asked that often.

What do you think would be the main determining factor in a fight? The practitioner, or their martial art style?
It will forever be the practitioner. In fact, the art will have very little to do with it. The first principles of combat is "come mentally prepared, come physically prepared, and know the rules (or lack thereof)" I am a big advocate for the personalization of the art, and that the different styles are just guide lines, or teachings hidden in a present. Like a Koan of a Zen master, each style is just a template designed for you to learn something about yourself.
PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 8:37 pm


Absolutely the Martial Artist.

As a style 90% of Tae Kwon Do schools suck in my personal opinion. Sorry guys it's been sport raped to the point of uselessness in real combat. But I have met men who trained in tae kwon do, and also learned the real fundamental basics of fighting, and they were respectable warriors.

A man with 100 fights under his belt can beat the brakes off of a man with three years more training that never actually learned the basic fundamentals of fighting.

Winterwolf78

Dangerous Hunter


ExaltedSinfonian

PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 5:15 pm


Winterwolf78
Absolutely the Martial Artist.

As a style 90% of Tae Kwon Do schools suck in my personal opinion. Sorry guys it's been sport raped to the point of uselessness in real combat. But I have met men who trained in tae kwon do, and also learned the real fundamental basics of fighting, and they were respectable warriors.

A man with 100 fights under his belt can beat the brakes off of a man with three years more training that never actually learned the basic fundamentals of fighting.


Very true. There is a "knack for fighting" that people must acquire with time. I practice Traditional Russian Sambo, which is a combat art all the way. But, I can take what I know, then apply the techniques that are allowed and fight in a Sport Sambo competition. I would be competing on a white-belt level though, given that I never trained the syllabus of Sport Sambo. The artist is the crucial point here for sure, because in TRS there is no belt system. Only a ranking system exists.
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