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 Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:00 pm
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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:19 pm
When I wrote my novel I just say it's like making a many layered cake. That's pretty much what he's saying, that writing a novel is just building on layers. 3nodding
I dunno, I never liked to read about how other authors write. I just don't write that way, and with so many rules it's easy to get lost on what a starting author should do, you know? What's best for one author is probably not effective with another. I say, write whatever you want to as long as it's your own.
But I can put this method in the Help subforum if you want. I'll be making helpful links anyway.
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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:33 pm
Sevi Rais When I wrote my novel I just say it's like making a many layered cake. That's pretty much what he's saying, that writing a novel is just building on layers. 3nodding I dunno, I never liked to read about how other authors write. I just don't write that way, and with so many rules it's easy to get lost on what a starting author should do, you know? What's best for one author is probably not effective with another. I say, write whatever you want to as long as it's your own. But I can put this method in the Help subforum if you want. I'll be making helpful links anyway. He does say the method won't work for everyone- and that people should use what works for them. I think as a tool it works best for people whose ideas are everywhere and so scattered that getting it all in one place is hard. sweatdrop
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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:44 pm
Esiris Sevi Rais When I wrote my novel I just say it's like making a many layered cake. That's pretty much what he's saying, that writing a novel is just building on layers. 3nodding I dunno, I never liked to read about how other authors write. I just don't write that way, and with so many rules it's easy to get lost on what a starting author should do, you know? What's best for one author is probably not effective with another. I say, write whatever you want to as long as it's your own. But I can put this method in the Help subforum if you want. I'll be making helpful links anyway. He does say the method won't work for everyone- and that people should use what works for them. I think as a tool it works best for people whose ideas are everywhere and so scattered that getting it all in one place is hard. sweatdrop That's true. I guess I never like it when people tell me how to write and I'm like ... ugh, I'm confused now! Heh. There's so many rules that I just don't follow. I'm pretty simple when it comes to writing. I say as long as you have something to write with, a dictionary, a thesaurus, and a grammar book you're good to go! But obviously this is probably too simple in that people who really need to mold their story need something to help them focus all their major parts of it into a single point. That last part probably sounded confusing. XD Do you use the snowflake method? I'm curious. 3nodding I still need to plan my novel out. I've been lazy about it! I think I know what I want to do for the main part, but I need to know where the characters are going, which is hard because it needs to be entertaining and yet believable. Arg. If only writing a novel were simple! XD
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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:09 pm
Sevi Rais That's true. I guess I never like it when people tell me how to write and I'm like ... ugh, I'm confused now! Heh. There's so many rules that I just don't follow. I know how that is- and really for NaNo it's not a big thing since it's a quantity race instead of "I am writing this for publication so I can feed myself and keep a roof over my head." I like NaNo- but I also know that it's a sprint and not a marathon. I guess anyone can write- and that's what NaNo's about, getting people to do it. Getting people to take that first step and try. But there are still common mistakes writers make- and there's stuff no one should do if they hope to ever be published. Quote: I'm pretty simple when it comes to writing. I say as long as you have something to write with, a dictionary, a thesaurus, and a grammar book you're good to go! But obviously this is probably too simple in that people who really need to mold their story need something to help them focus all their major parts of it into a single point. That last part probably sounded confusing. XD It made sense. 3nodding Quote: Do you use the snowflake method? I'm curious. 3nodding I do- along with some other tools. I tried a bunch of stuff- but I ended up with lists and webs of ideas, but no good way to put the pieces together. So now I do those first, and then this. Quote: I still need to plan my novel out. I've been lazy about it! I think I know what I want to do for the main part, but I need to know where the characters are going, which is hard because it needs to be entertaining and yet believable. Arg. If only writing a novel were simple! XD I've got mine all planned out- and I have some ideas for imagery that I really like.
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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:13 pm
Esiris Sevi Rais That's true. I guess I never like it when people tell me how to write and I'm like ... ugh, I'm confused now! Heh. There's so many rules that I just don't follow. I know how that is- and really for NaNo it's not a big thing since it's a quantity race instead of "I am writing this for publication so I can feed myself and keep a roof over my head." I like NaNo- but I also know that it's a sprint and not a marathon. I guess anyone can write- and that's what NaNo's about, getting people to do it. Getting people to take that first step and try. But there are still common mistakes writers make- and there's stuff no one should do if they hope to ever be published. Yeah, of course! It's suppose to be a fun way to write as many words as possible just to get something down, because the rest of the year people usually don't do it. Nano brings people together toward one common goal, and if everyone is doing it, chances are it will be accomplished. 3nodding But it's not for editing, no, and I think people get NaNo confused with that -- like every sentence needs to be perfect. The thing is, if you make a scene absolutely PERFECT, who's to know whether you'll just cut that scene out anyway? At least that's what happened to me. I took forever with one chapter and then I cut it out anyway. Arg! In my experience it's better to have the whole book done and then cut what's unnecessary and work with what you've got!
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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:17 pm
Sevi Rais Yeah, of course! It's suppose to be a fun way to write as many words as possible just to get something down, because the rest of the year people usually don't do it. Nano brings people together toward one common goal, and if everyone is doing it, chances are it will be accomplished. 3nodding But it's not for editing, no, and I think people get NaNo confused with that -- like every sentence needs to be perfect. The thing is, if you make a scene absolutely PERFECT, who's to know whether you'll just cut that scene out anyway? At least that's what happened to me. I took forever with one chapter and then I cut it out anyway. Arg! In my experience it's better to have the whole book done and then cut what's unnecessary and work with what you've got! That's very true.
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Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 10:32 am
I attempted to use the snowflake method last month for Camp Nanowrimo, just for plotting uses, and it helped a little bit. I used up until step 3, but anything past that point felt kind of awkward to me, so I ditched it after that. It's definitely a good idea, nice and structured for people who need that kind of thing. However, I tend to work better without it.
@Sevi: I agree completely on finishing the book and then editing it- otherwise, like you said, you create the 'perfect' chapter and then you realize that you won't use it anyways. (This is actually the first year that I've ignored editing entirely, mostly because I'm stuck between two different plot lines, and I can't redo the previous chapters until I decide on which one I'll be using.) It's hard to remember that everything doesn't need to be perfect though.
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Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 11:33 pm
What I do is sort of like that, though not really, and I don't use shapes. I like to think I translate the images, feelings, and emotions in my head (the scenes) into sort of word blurbs on my page. It's sort of like "webbing" - don't remember what that's called, the one where you write something down and then connect it to a bunch of other things that are related in other bubbles? - without the shapes. And it's basically everything that happens in my head, but in words. Since I'm learning about biology things in pysch (it's never been my strong point, biology, that is) I sort of see it as the head-thinky-things being the nonverbal cues my right brain is sending out to tell the left brain what the hell it's supposed to do. And then I write it out and see if it actually makes a lick of sense, sometimes it really really doesn't. But anyway, whatever is left is basically my outline.
From that jumbled mess I actually get really nice, comprehensive outlines for the major stuff I have to write. I don't know, but not thinking down to the gritty little details and letting my mind rule everything...I've come up with some interesting ideas if I do say so myself. So yeah, like the snowflake method but probably not really. It's too early to think past this headache ><
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