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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:13 pm


Okay, so from what I am aware of, these are the titles for the royalty:
King Diamond
Queen Serenity
Princess Ruby
Princess Sapphire

What about Saphir? Has he earned any specific title, like Prince, Duke, etc... or....?

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:42 pm


Prince, Id imagine

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 6:04 pm


From what I know about royal hierarchy.....

His main title would still be Prince Saphir.
Followed possibly by things like Duke and Earl... ect.

Edit: That is of course under the president that King Diamond does not relinquish or disband his ties to Nemesis and is the true ruler of that as well.

However, if he does give up control, then it would fall to whom ever the next in line for Crown Prince would be.... and in our story case it being Saphir.... making him the King of Nemesis.


Which is all highly possible... as I would say the Moon Kingdom is more of a 'queendom' and run by the female body instead of the male... so Diamond would marry into the crown and thus loose the rights to his old estates. (Or even more technical... they would be transferred to be under Serenity's control. But that makes things even more complicated. D= )
PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 9:32 pm


It's my understanding that titles tend to be bestowed by Monarchs to those who distinguish themselves in someway (either through deeds, favors or moneh), and then the title goes down the line to that persons children.

Since we are in they're first generation of royalty no one should have any titles (other then prince(ss) and king/queen) in the Black Moon Kingdom UNLESS Diamond and Usagi deemed them worthy of a title. That would include Diamond and Usagi themselves, since giving yourself a title is kinda silly and would been seen as bad taste.

(If you look at the royalty of England, they have multiple titles because they have inherited them from multiple sources, or achieved one title before achieving another. )

Now, whom they've given titles so far... well I don't know. xD I'd bet all the cannon senshi at the very least... Might wanna look up a title list and assign a title hierarchy before you start assigning titles. (I do believe every country has their own hierarchy of titles. Not sure though)


(also, after doing some poking around, I see no evidence that Prince Diamond was a prince of anything. The entire group is made up of outcasts and traitors banished from the moon kingdom when they refused purification. So any claim to Royalty would come from Usagi's liniege )

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:28 am


From what I've seen in the Sailor Moon deal, you're royalty if you possess a considerably powerful Sailor Crystal.

All the princesses/queens/princes have one. Those with less powerful, but still powerful starseeds end up becoming guardians.

Ex: The Solar Senshi (Moon, Mars ect) and Tuxedo Kamen are royalty. Thus also possess the most powerful starseeds/crystals.

their Guardians- Helios/Luna/Artemis- possess similar starseeds and are powerful but they're not sailor crystals.


*But that's just one of my takes on it.*

Like Charoite said, Prince Diamond and his group are not traditional royalty in our terms but that doesn't mean they're -not-.

They have the requirements to call themselves so though. They had their own planet. Their own people that considered them powerful/royals. They have been acknowledged by others outside their planet as royalty.

So they are.

However, in the case of Diamond and all, I say model it after the British Royals in this. (there's lots of other royal families in the world. More familiar with this one.)

He'll still retain Prince title (maybe Prince-Consort if Usagi's nice) but generally speaking from what I've seen, his kids won't have his last name. Most of his titles are lower then to the woman he's married. He'll never be king of the moon.

Since he left Nemesis, then like others have said, automatically it should fall to Saphir to be king of that there. (which would be kinda cool to rub it in his brother's face that he's a king else where)

He could have the title of duke or earl. (I've seen siblings of the crowns hold the title 'Duke' most often.)

The Sailor senshi (not gemstones) would all be princesses, unless they took over their other castles and become 'queens' in their own right. By technicality they should be queens anyway considering it's just them and no one is ahead of them for their particular throne.

D: but that's just my understanding of it. The rest is up to the queen to bestow some knighthood.ladyship to anyone else.
PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:53 pm


I don't think Saphir really needs a title. He's just happy to be looked upon as the ruler. I'm not even sure there was a real hierarchy on Nemesis, being as the people of the planet were criminals that Serenity banished from the solar system.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:28 pm


He could be a self proclaimed king?
King of Nemesis.
PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:47 pm


Lovely Michiru
He could be a self proclaimed king?
King of Nemesis.


Which is basically what he tries and succeeds at doing.

But my point is that he would have no inherited titles. He's the first in a line of royalty instead of a descendant.

So any titles he may have would be King (he did marry a queen) , and anything he would in his arrogance give himself, or that Ugagi gives him (also feels weird) or unofficial deed based titles. (Ie, kill an Orge terrorizing a village, you're now BOB THE OGRE SLAYER!" Clean out a Hometowns supply of cornbread and you're JANE, EATER OF CORNBREAD!")


My final take on the matter: We're not privy to the Nobility System of the old Kingdom, and we're setting up a brand spanking new Kingdom, so we can do whatever we like. We could declare the whole thing a democracy if we wanted xD. (that'd be weird ninja )

So lets come up with a title system we like. We should keep it simple but remember there are two types of titles. One type is for Royalty and is pretty non-heirarchal. If you've got a Royal Title, but arn't the Monarch, your only power is that you're related to, and theoretically represent the Monarch.

Nobility titles however come with some combination of land, responsibilities, power, money, estates, ect. That's why alot of Royalty have other titles, because Kings are smart and give titles that come with land and scripts to their favorite family members. And then they all inter-marry.. and pretty soon you get some freakishly inbred Royals with lots of titles, lands, ect.

In this day and age though, Usagi and Diamond arn't going to get away with giving titles to anyone they feel like. That person has to have earned it or the Kingdom would pitch a fit, since they're paying the taxes to pay for it. So if you want a nobility title, you have to explain how you got the title, who gave it to you, etc. and inheritance isn't an option since we're in our first generation of Nobility.

We could pull the "All senshi/Knights automatically get X title". Most likely it'd be the lowest available title, with minimum benefits, maybe 50k a year salary dependent on their active involvement with the Kingdoms security. . Anything more extravagant would risk upsetting the citizenry and would strain the coffers.

On the upside though, if we can figure out a system quickly, with the war starting, there's lots of room for Title-upgrade worthy gallantry. (It'd be a good reward system for good RP too. ninja )

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