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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 3:32 pm


http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/29/2822971/new-video-shows-more-grisly-detail.html

Miami Herald story
New video shows more grisly details of face-eating attack in Miami

New details of the horrific attack were captured in additional video footage taken by security cameras at the nearby Miami Herald building.
This uncensored surveillance video from the Miami Herald building shows the 18-minute face-eating attack on victim Ronald Poppo on the MacArthur Causeway. Police arrive at the scene, shooting attacker Rudy Eugene around minute 18.

Rudy Eugene walked naked alongside the MacArthur Causeway before pouncing on a homeless man he found dozing in the shade of the elevated Metromover train tracks.

For almost 18 grisly minutes, Eugene savaged his victim, punching him and stripping the man’s pants before gnawing off the homeless man’s face — all as cars and cyclists rolled by on the busy causeway on a sunny Saturday afternoon.

The new details of the horrific attack were captured in additional video footage taken by security cameras at the nearby Miami Herald building.

At least five passersby, including a Road Ranger from the Florida Department of Transportation, called police to report what they saw of the macabre scene. Three bicyclists pedaled by the two bloody men in the minutes before the arrival of Miami police officer Jose Rivera, who shot and killed Eugene to end the attack, the new footage shows. The shooting itself was obstructed in the video, and the officer appeared to shoot Eugene within a minute of arriving.

On Tuesday police identified Eugene’s victim as Ronald Poppo, a 65-year-old homeless man who has lived on Miami’s streets for more than three decades. With his nose, mouth and eyes torn off, he remained in critical condition at Jackson Memorial Hospital on Tuesday.

The new video, and information from police, suggest that Eugene stumbled upon Poppo by sheer happenstance.

The footage shows Eugene walking naked on the sidewalk along the Biscayne Boulevard off-ramp of the causeway at around 1:55 p.m. Saturday when he paused in a shady spot under the Metromover Omni loop line. Eugene appeared to twirl as a bicyclist zoomed by. For about two minutes, Eugene bent over a second figure in the shade, though the images are obscured by a rustling palm frond.

Eugene then rolled Poppo out onto the sunny sidewalk, stripping off his clothes while Poppo appeared to kick in resistance. Eugene later appeared to straddle Poppo and hunch over him for several minutes.

Meanwhile, two more cyclists passed by, and one motorist in a white car slowed down while descending the off-ramp. But for many motorists, the scene was obscured by a waist-high concrete safety wall along the highway.

According to Miami police, the first call of a disturbance came from a passing motorist who reported seeing Eugene stripping off his clothes and acting erratically. That call was routed to the Florida Highway Patrol — it’s unclear why — and then transferred to the Miami police. Police have not disclosed the time of the first call.

A Road Ranger called to the scene also called 911 and used a loudspeaker to call for the naked attacker to cease. As the attack dragged on, two other motorists called police, as did another cyclist, Larry Vega, who later told reporters that Eugene “just stood, his head up like that, with pieces of flesh in his mouth. And he growled.”

At about 2:11 p.m. — 16 minutes after the attack began — a Miami police patrol car briefly turned up the causeway ramp, against traffic, before turning around, the video shows.

About two minutes later, the patrol car turned against traffic again and drove up the ramp to scene, just south of the Miami Herald’s parking garage. Just a few seconds after stepping from his car to confront the attacker, Officer Rivera drew his gun, but it’s unclear when he fired on Eugene, killing the 31-year-old man. A second officer arrived about one minute later.

Police have just begun to piece together Eugene’s actions in the hours before the attack.

It appears Eugene had been in Miami Beach — in full party mode for Urban Beach Week over the Memorial Day Weekend — shortly before the attack. Eugene’s car, a purple 1995 Chevrolet Caprice, was towed for being parked illegally at 1100 10th St.

The night before, Eugene had been with his girlfriend in Miami Gardens. She reported that he was acting strangely before leaving in his car. According to police, Eugene later called her to say that his car broke down.

Still unclear is what motivated the attack. Though some have speculated that Eugene was under the influence of some kind of stimulants or other drugs that sometimes cause violent episodes, police said they found no evidence of drugs or paraphernalia at the scene. Toxicology tests of Eugene’s blood will likely take several weeks.


Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/29/2822971/new-video-shows-more-grisly-detail.html#storylink=cpy
PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 3:44 pm


Sometimes living in Florida scares me. This also shows why I have no desire to live in Miami. Tampa is strange enough for me.

Thought #1: Apparently Rudy there was high on Spice or cocaine or something in that vein. Modern science has brought us hundreds of amazing, medically helpful medications, but it's also brought us more-potent mood altering substances. As people get bored and tolerant of the "usual" drugs such as crack or even PCP, we'll likely see more of this sort of insanity.

Thought #2: The article said a lot of people seemed to see the incident but just ignored it. Now, I'm not sure what I'd do if I saw this sort of situation. First of all, the human mind interprets what it sees. This means that nothing we see is truly unbiased. Ever had to do a double take? That's your brain realizing that an image your eyes just transmitted to it doesn't match your version of "normal." How many times do you NOT double take? How much do you miss? It's like those "When You See It" pics; how many RL episodes of that do you walk by everyday without seeing them? So a lot of people may have technically seen it, but their brains said, "No, that's just too weird. Not gonna touch it."

You also have to wonder how much the survival instinct motivates actions. Here's a naked dude EATING THE FACE OFF another naked dude. Do I really wanna get involved in that? The cops shot him, after all, and even then it took multiple shots. Plus, in this kinky day and age, what if you capped the guy and it turned out that the other guy was enjoying it? Then you're in trouble. So yes, while I'm never without my trusty Ruger P345, I don't know if I'd have used it. Sure as heck wouldn't have gone up to them and tried to pull the guy off...


What about you?
What would you have done?
Do you think we'll see more of this (the cops said there were more cases like this)?

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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 11:15 pm


I am thinking Vega should have brought his cage fighter claws with him on his bike ride. The story would have had a way more entertaining ending.

Dang...strolling up on a bike. To a scene with naked zombie munching on a naked guy? I guess I could try to distract the freak but with out a weapon I an not touching the guy.

Pull up in my car I would be happy to tire iron the psycho.

When did this happen?
Who is testing zombie drugs on people?
PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 7:54 am


Happened about a week ago.

It would be interesting if he was an escaped test subject...or an intentionally loosed test subject.

I think, though, he was doing Spice, which is some weird thing where the user mixes "bath salts," as they're called in stores. The salts are legal since everytime an ingredient gets outlawed, they just add another type. The composition is so varied that the gov't can't outlaw the salts specifically. The substance is very powerful, too. One of my profs was talking about it. It was the psych lecture.

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PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 8:48 am


My first reaction was to try to figure out if this was for real, or if you'd found some joke news site to quote from.
This certainly wins this month's "strange events" lineup.

With or without a weapon I wouldn't have stopped and tried to intervene. Even with a gun, a crazy person doesn't think about their safety and I don't care to tangle with such a person solo. Also, bringing a lethal weapon to a fight, not a good idea in my mind. Elevates things too far too quickly. It's why I wont ever carry a gun myself. Show it to someone attacking or threatening me and they are just as likely to overreact and shoot me first, or some other sort of attack, as they are to run away. Fight or flight and a person already hyped up enough to be an attacker will likely fight.

Sorry, that got off the point a bit and onto my personal soap box.

I don't usually have a cell phone with me, but for something that strange I'd pull over at a public place and call 911 to report it.

I think I'm too sheltered, living in a city of only 50K, to really know whether or not we'll see more of this strange behavior. I've read a bit on these "bath salts", and am curious to know more, but my area doesn't have direct issues with them. The Twin Cities do, though, and it was through the Minneapolis Star Tribune that I first heard of the salts.

Honestly, this whole incident strikes me as something I'd see on an episode of CSI: Miami!
PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 1:21 pm


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My first reaction was to try to figure out if this was for real, or if you'd found some joke news site to quote from.
This certainly wins this month's "strange events" lineup.


Florida and Cali are the go-to states for strangeness. Sadly, when I heard about it, I just sorta went, "Huh. Miami. Not too surprising."


As for involving a lethal weapon: Exactly. You have to be really careful about how and when you use it. If you carry a weapon, you should also carry a phone. If you draw your weapon on somebody, you better be drawing your phone and calling the police, 'cause whoever gets to the police with their version of the story "wins." Honestly the only time they recommend using a weapon is when your life or the life of your family member or friend is in mortal danger. Then you say you "fired to stop the threat."

Here's some info on bath salts http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/features/bath-salts-drug-dangers

And some on spice http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_cannabis

Apparently they're different, which I wasn't sure of at first. But I've heard that sometimes they can contain bits of each other.

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PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 1:26 pm


Eh...good reasons not to live in those states, for me! wink

Strangest thing we got in WI was a bear walking through a grocery store, into the liquor dept. and curling up inside the beer coolers like they were its own home cave.

Very good, very sound, rules of behavior for involving a lethal weapon. May I add "only draw if you're really, truly, prepared to use it and take a life". Obviously one shouldn't try to take a life, but if you draw, it could happen, so don't draw counting on it not occurring ,but rather figure to have to deal with the worst case consequences.

Thank you for the links; I have to get going to run errands before work, but I'll read them when I get home later.
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Eh...good reasons not to live in those states, for me! wink

Strangest thing we got in WI was a bear walking through a grocery store, into the liquor dept. and curling up inside the beer coolers like they were its own home cave.

Very good, very sound, rules of behavior for involving a lethal weapon. May I add "only draw if you're really, truly, prepared to use it and take a life". Obviously one shouldn't try to take a life, but if you draw, it could happen, so don't draw counting on it not occurring ,but rather figure to have to deal with the worst case consequences.

Thank you for the links; I have to get going to run errands before work, but I'll read them when I get home later.


Tell me about it. rolleyes

Oh, we have bears too. More often, though, it's 10 foot long gators getting into houses. Or old or drunk drivers hitting the gas instead of the brake and plowing into storefronts.

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"only draw if you're really, truly, prepared to use it and take a life".


Honestly that should apply before you even think about getting a carry permit. If you don't think you can do what has to be done, then you pose more of a danger to yourself by carrying since the attacker could take your weapon while you hesitate. And yes, the goal is to never need the weapon. 90% or more of self defense is knowing how NOT to get into dangerous situations in the first place.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:14 am


Hope this isn't taking things too off topic, but speaking of gun ownership and use, did you read of the two incidents in the news lately involving shootings in self-defense where it turned out both 'attackers' were unarmed? I don't know the details of the one in Florida (pretty sure that's where the first happened) but in the other incident the man who was killed was mentally challenged and the shooter didn't just leave the scene because the man's dog was in front of his car. Huh? He could shoot a man but not run over a dog?

Apparently there are, in some states, "stand your ground" laws which condone the use of lethal violence in self defense rather than leaving the scene of the altercation. The thought is why should the potential victim have to run away? To me, this simply sets things up for problems. Say someone nearly hits me with their car as I'm out walking. Understandably, I get upset, I'm shaken up, I yell at the driver. They mistake me for a threat and do something rash rather than just drive away. I don't want this person to have a lethal weapon!

This, honestly, is why the idea of people carrying guns makes me feel less safe overall. Who knows how I might be miss-perceived and if the one doing the miss-perceiving has a lethal weapon... Yeah, I just don't trust people, I guess. Sure, there's always a potential for trouble from a stranger and yes, someone with a conceal and carry permit ought to have training, licensing and know-how, but...people are people and I'm wary. Even cops, whom I do trust, make mistakes, much less folks who's lives don't revolve around public safety and making the right choices under sudden high pressure.

((I'll move this post to a new thread, if you'd like.))
PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:15 am


I'll take a black bear over a gator or crocodile of any length!

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:52 am


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Hope this isn't taking things too off topic, but speaking of gun ownership and use, did you read of the two incidents in the news lately involving shootings in self-defense where it turned out both 'attackers' were unarmed? I don't know the details of the one in Florida (pretty sure that's where the first happened) but in the other incident the man who was killed was mentally challenged and the shooter didn't just leave the scene because the man's dog was in front of his car. Huh? He could shoot a man but not run over a dog?


You mean the one in Sanford that the media tried to spin as a racially motivated hate crime? Turns out the guy who shot Trayvon was indeed injured by the teen.

As for being unarmed, it doesn't make a person any less of a threat. The face-eating guy should show that. Some of the guys I fence with could snap my neck or seriously injure me with their bare hands in a second.

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Apparently there are, in some states, "stand your ground" laws which condone the use of lethal violence in self defense rather than leaving the scene of the altercation. The thought is why should the potential victim have to run away? To me, this simply sets things up for problems. Say someone nearly hits me with their car as I'm out walking. Understandably, I get upset, I'm shaken up, I yell at the driver. They mistake me for a threat and do something rash rather than just drive away. I don't want this person to have a lethal weapon!


We have the Castle Doctrine, which states that when you're on your own property, you don't have to back down/flee. The point of SYG was to give people a choice, not take it away. They still have the option of trying to escape. Before SYG, you had to try to flee before defending yourself. Dunno how much martial arts you've done, but trying to flee puts you at a massive disadvantage if it ends up that you have to fight.

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This, honestly, is why the idea of people carrying guns makes me feel less safe overall. Who knows how I might be miss-perceived and if the one doing the miss-perceiving has a lethal weapon... Yeah, I just don't trust people, I guess. Sure, there's always a potential for trouble from a stranger and yes, someone with a conceal and carry permit ought to have training, licensing and know-how, but...people are people and I'm wary. Even cops, whom I do trust, make mistakes, much less folks who's lives don't revolve around public safety and making the right choices under sudden high pressure.

((I'll move this post to a new thread, if you'd like.))


Statistics actually show that crime is lower in areas where gun ownership and carry permit use is high. After the UK banned handguns, the gun crime rate rose by 300%. The person you're more likely to be capped by is the one without the permit.

But of course, there are episodes of abuse and error, as there is with anything. People are still human.

Still, you're more likely to get killed in a traffic accident than shot, though. That is, unless you live in some high crime area or are in a dangerous occupation.

Erm, sorry if that was a rant! sweatdrop Didn't mean to come off d**k-ish or anything. *gets off soapbox*
PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:17 am


Naw, no problem, I too was on a soap box. If we can both agree to rant without insulting, as we have been, I'm cool with this discussion. smile

The one with the dog and car wasn't the one spun as racially motivated. As I said, I don't know the details of that one (and yeah, the racially motivated part seemed more chance circumstances given a name).

On one's own property (such as a homeowner and a burglar) I'm all for standing ground. Hell, if you're breaking the law to break and enter, you've forfeited your rights far as I'm concerned. Tis why it bugs me so much when an injured burglar or mugger sues their potential victim.
The cases that worry me are the random spot of public ground ones where it's not clear who should walk away and who should stand firm, who's right, who's wrong and who's in the clear to use force or threat of force.#

I've heard those stats before, too, and I do believe you/them. Though why then do I still fee so much less safe knowing a stranger could have a gun? Maybe it's because knowing it's a legal option puts the whole idea more in my concious mind where as when it's illegal, yet criminals still might, then I'm just not thinking of it. *muses* #
Though...are criminals more or less likely to carry a gun when then know others might be legally doing so? Or, if knowing their law-abiding victims aren't packing, are they more likely to stick to threatening with a knife?

The martial arts experience I have is self-defense and of a nature to use an attacker's energy against them, not to attack yourself. And we were encouraged to get out of the area if we could. I'm an average build female with a heart condition; I've no business standing my ground unless given no choice.
For the gun threat, it's the range of threat the gun gives and the perceived lethality. Easier to run (as someone like me should) away from a knife or fist than a gun.

I'm glad to agree that all of this is dealing with unlikely scenarios and cars are far more dangerous. End of the day/thread it's good to know that this is pretty much all hypothetical in my area.

# I think I just lack faith in human nature. Or at least in human intelligence and common sense. sweatdrop

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 12:00 pm


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Naw, no problem, I too was on a soap box. If we can both agree to rant without insulting, as we have been, I'm cool with this discussion. smile


Cool. mrgreen

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The one with the dog and car wasn't the one spun as racially motivated. As I said, I don't know the details of that one.


Now I'm curious and wanna check this one out. Haven't heard of it.

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On one's own property (such as a homeowner and a burglar) I'm all for standing ground. Hell, if you're breaking the law to break and enter, you've forfeited your rights far as I'm concerned. Tis why it bugs me so much when an injured burglar or mugger sues their potential victim.
The cases that worry me are the random spot of public ground ones where it's not clear who should walk away and who should stand firm, who's right, who's wrong and who's in the clear to use force or threat of force.#


The Castle Doctrine also helps people who would otherwise get sued by the perpetrator. There was a case of a burglar suing a family after he accidentally fell through their ceiling and injured himself when he slammed into a table. The society we live in is nuts...

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I've heard those stats before, too, and I do believe you/them. Though why then do I still fee so much less safe knowing a stranger could have a gun? Maybe it's because knowing it's a legal option puts the whole idea more in my concious mind where as when it's illegal, yet criminals still might, then I'm just not thinking of it. *muses* #


Being wary of people in general is a good idea, I'd say. Our technology might be advanced, but we're far from civilized.

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Though...are criminals more or less likely to carry a gun when then know others might be legally doing so? Or, if knowing their law-abiding victims aren't packing, are they more likely to stick to threatening with a knife?


Most criminals prefer to prey on the weak. If they know their target has "teeth," they're far less apt to strike. Odds are that they're carrying a gun rather than a knife. A gun's way more useful for them.

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The martial arts experience I have is self-defense and of a nature to use an attacker's energy against them, not to attack yourself. And we were encouraged to get out of the area if we could. I'm an average build female with a heart condition; I've no business standing my ground unless given no choice.


Most of self defense martial arts is against wrist grabs and other restraints, right? Or maybe putting a good kick in a certain sweet spot? If they have a weapon, I'm not putting my back to them unless there's a looong way between me and them.

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For the gun threat, it's the range of threat the gun gives and the perceived lethality. Easier to run (as someone like me should) away from a knife or fist than a gun.


Rule of thumb: run from a knife that's 10 feet away, close on a gun that's 10 feet away.

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I'm glad to agree that all of this is dealing with unlikely scenarios and cars are far more dangerous. End of the day/thread it's good to know that this is pretty much all hypothetical in my area.

# I think I just lack faith in human nature. Or at least in human intelligence and common sense. sweatdrop


Yeppers. And it's good to know that safe places are still around. I wish I lived in a more civilized area, but until I do, I'll be ready for anything.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:22 pm


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The society we live in is nuts...

Couldn't agree more.

Those range numbers, for knife and gun, make good sense.
When I say run away, I guess I mean getting oneself untangled, getting some distance between, and then taking off. Ideally, using the attack or grab to spin or shift your foe past and beyond you, opening some distance. Or using that kick you mentioned to give yourself time to open space. The idea of a knife, to me, is less worrisome because once I can get some distance, my job is to get away. With a gun, with that kind of close range, it is smarter to close, but then I'm at a disadvantage with my lack of stamina.

Eh, hopefully this all remains a moot discussion. smile

How did you wind up in Florida? School?

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:29 pm


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The society we live in is nuts...

Couldn't agree more.

Those range numbers, for knife and gun, make good sense.
When I say run away, I guess I mean getting oneself untangled, getting some distance between, and then taking off. Ideally, using the attack or grab to spin or shift your foe past and beyond you, opening some distance. Or using that kick you mentioned to give yourself time to open space. The idea of a knife, to me, is less worrisome because once I can get some distance, my job is to get away. With a gun, with that kind of close range, it is smarter to close, but then I'm at a disadvantage with my lack of stamina.

Eh, hopefully this all remains a moot discussion. smile

How did you wind up in Florida? School?


Yes, that makes sense.

I certainly hope it remains a mute discussion, too. smile

Parents. I was 14 when we came here, so I didn't have much choice. Now I'm in school, so no leaving yet. It's kinda nice here, though. In the winter it's great to eat lunch outside by the pool on New Year's. The animals are amazing. The landscape, people, and traffic suck, but what can ya do?

So, are you going to stay in your patch of the frozen north? Or do you think you might travel?
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