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Neville Longbottom Captain
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 Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 6:57 pm
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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 7:30 pm
This whole soul-mangling thing really threw a wrench into my vengeful gears. (Not to mention The Prophecy, but that's not the topic.) If anyone kills Bellatrix (and oh, how she deserves it), their soul will be permanently damaged. But c'mon, what are you going to do, incarceration? If it wasn't a deterrent when the Dementors were in Azkaban, it never will be. JKR, you aren't renowned for redefining the term "children's author" for nothing.
Neville could never cast an Unforgivable, though, that's for certain.
(This thread put Bellatrix back up to #1 on my hate-list, and Snape to #2. It's been a while since I've read OotP.)
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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 7:33 pm
Why does everyone blame Bellatrix. She wasn't the only one there you know, it was her husband too. I'm not saying that I think that's fine that she did that to Neville's parents, because it's not, but what I am saying is that don't just hate her. You have to see it from her point of view. Her master was gone, the person she had basicly given her life to. You can tell that she cared a great deal about Voldemort, she did give most of the years of her life to him. Either obeying his every word, or struggling in the wizard prison. I can completely understand her actions. I may think they are wrong, but I can see why she would do them. I don't think she needs to die. I think she needs someone to show her some compassion.
I have alot of respect for Bellatrix. She's one of the most loyal people in the entire book.
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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 7:45 pm
Compassion? It's not just loyalty, Mimbulus, although that is her one redeeming characeristic. She also gets a major kick out of inflicting suffering, if you hadn't noticed. Besides, Voldemort-loyal as she is, it's not like compassion would change her - she'd definitely have an adverse reaction, even if we were to provide that anybody in the Order would be willing to offer it.
EDIT: Yes, everyone forgets Rodolphus, Rabastan and Barty Jr, because Barty is Kissed and the other two just don't get enough screen time. And you know what? They shouldn't.
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Neville Longbottom Captain
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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 8:01 pm
Yeah, I didn't mention them (and I did look them up before I posted this thread) because there is not much about them. And also, Bellatrix not only uses Crucio a lot, she enjoys it.
(It's a battle between Bellatrix and Heathcliff [from Wuthering Heights] on who is more evil in my mind... I'm gonna go with her... Because I actually feel sorry for Heathcliff... very sorry... and all analysises of him say he is "satanic" "inhuman" etc... and to say that Bellatrix is worse in my mind... well yeah.)
The only real compassion I've seen Bellatrix exhibit is towards her sister... She calls her Sissy, and obviously cares about her, not wanting Voldemort to kill her or whatever he may do... (I think pet names require some sort of love/compassion to use... otherwise she'd call her by her full first name)
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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 8:07 pm
DomaDoma Compassion? It's not just loyalty, Mimbulus, although that is her one redeeming characeristic. She also gets a major kick out of inflicting suffering, if you hadn't noticed. Besides, Voldemort-loyal as she is, it's not like compassion would change her - she'd definitely have an adverse reaction, even if we were to provide that anybody in the Order would be willing to offer it. EDIT: Yes, everyone forgets Rodolphus, Rabastan and Barty Jr, because Barty is Kissed and the other two just don't get enough screen time. And you know what? They shouldn't.
Who ever said that it had to be someone from the Order. Why can't it be her sister? She seems to care a great deal for her. Yet, I've noticed her sister doen't care too much for her. Well, that's that I think.
They should too. If they don't then everyone is just going to blame it on Bellatrix. I'm sure Rodolphus and Rabastan would hate it if they were left out.
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Neville Longbottom Captain
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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 8:17 pm
Well, I'd like to hear a little more about them, but it seems that Bellatrix... wears the pants perhaps... I think the only person she would take orders for would be from Voldemort, so she is most likely the one who was in charge of the group...
And with Narcissa, as a mother, he loyalties are most definitly to her son first, then her sister. So as long as her son is in danger, she will care only for him.
But... back to the whole revenge thing...
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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 8:27 pm
Yes, Neville has to take revenge, but he will not cast unforgivable. I would not forgive JKR if she did that. I think that Neville will do the right thing, and like....Shove her into a dementor or something. I don't know.
Bellatrix is actually....Well, she is on my hate list, but also on my awesome list. Does anyone think about Andromaeda anymore? A sister's death can also have such a huge impact on your life, and if she loved her as much as she does Narcissa....It must of ripped her apart. I often wonder when she started going wrong, but that may have been to turning point. Perhaps Voldemort offered her solace or something.....Again, I dunno.
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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 8:32 pm
Neville will not take revenge. He's not the type. It's almost an insult to his character that he would do something so horrible. He'd never hurt another living being, no matter how much they have hurt him.
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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 8:40 pm
Alright, revenge is perhaps the wrong word. I'm thinking more avenge, as in avenging his parents, and all those that she has killed.
Is revenge and avenging the same thing?
And for Neville not ever hurting anyone, I disagree strongly. I think he would totally hurt someone, if they were hurting his friends, or in defense of the weak. I mean, he'd try to disable them first, of course, but you know he had no problem helping hex the inquisitorial squad so they could escape. It's based on neccesaty, I believe.
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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 8:52 pm
the shadow keeper Alright, revenge is perhaps the wrong word. I'm thinking more avenge, as in avenging his parents, and all those that she has killed. Is revenge and avenging the same thing? And for Neville not ever hurting anyone, I disagree strongly. I think he would totally hurt someone, if they were hurting his friends, or in defense of the weak. I mean, he'd try to disable them first, of course, but you know he had no problem helping hex the inquisitorial squad so they could escape. It's based on neccesaty, I believe.
Hexing is very different from revenge. Revenge is something painful, something full of hate. What? Did you think he was going to charm his way out of that situation? He couldn't bring someone to pain.
I think Revenge and Avenging are basicly the same thing.
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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 8:56 pm
As long as she suffers. twisted
Anyway, I think Neville will probably have a one on one fight with her, hopefully killing her, but I'm not sure if Neville would be able to kill anyone (Not that he's weak, just...he's too innocent. *glompsneville*)
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Neville Longbottom Captain
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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 9:00 pm
I don't think Neville is incapable of revenge. He probably has a lot of hatred pent up inside himself of Bellatrix and the others. But I won't doubt that she'll try to kill him or try torturing him again... and he won't put up with it.
And innocent is not a word I'd use for Neville... Righteous fits him better.
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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 9:05 pm
Mimbulus Mimbletonia Hexing is very different from revenge. Revenge is something painful, something full of hate. What? Did you think he was going to charm his way out of that situation? He couldn't bring someone to pain.
I think Revenge and Avenging are basicly the same thing. I don't think revenge has to be painful....But hexing was definately causing some pain. What, do you think that they simply immobolized them, then made them ugly while causing no pain? Hexes have to hurt somewhat. Bloating to twice your size, invisible ropes....there's no way that Malfoy and Co. weren't in some amount of pain. Edit: Neville Longbottom And innocent is not a word I'd use for Neville... Righteous fits him better. point. I must agree whole-heartedly.
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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 9:11 pm
@ Neville Longbottom: <3 You're so right. Neville is righteous.
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