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 Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 6:41 am
I have found an interesting article regarding the reliability of the Threefold Law. I've decided to share it with everyone, even though it may be a bit controversial: The Threefold Law (You only really need to read the first paragraph or so, but the whole article is recommended) If what this article says is actually true, then that also challenges the credibility of The Wiccan Rede: Quote: Mind the threefold law ye should, three times bad and three times good. Yes, I am aware that the above quote is not the whole Wiccan Rede! Does anybody have any information on the subject, such as the magazine it apparently came from etc? It would be quite useful, and I don't seem to be able to find anything. What if The Threefold Law really was just something made up to deter people from the darker sides of Magick? Does The Threefold Law even make sense? Selfish people would want to cast good spells just to get the triple effect bounced back onto them, wouldn't they? Well, anyway, to the point: what is your opinion on the subject? Can this article alone be reliable? Even if it isn't completely reliable, has it made you think things over, like it has done to me?
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 7:28 am
It was an intersting article, don't get the wrong idea - but I think it's retarted (For lack of a better word.) Even before I became a witch, my parents (Who are Chrisitian, BTW) have always told me "What goes around, comes around. Do Unto Other The Way That You Want Done Unto You." So I've always believed in a variation of the Threefold Law.
And whether or not the Law is true, I wouldn't want to do something to hurt another intentionally anyway! It's just not nice.
So all in all, the article has not swayed my views of the Threefold Law. I also think that it should not stand alone, that it should be compared to a whole bunch of other things. And in the article, it said that higher levels of witchcraft were told "the truth" about the Threefold Law. So what's to stop them from doing harm to others, not having to worryabout a thing? Just telling people at the beginning to ward off problems in the long run does nothing when you tell them that it doesn't exist when they're at a higher level.
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Childhood Dreams Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 3:03 pm
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 4:34 pm
It's quite possible, and even reasonable that the three-fold law is merely a proscription written by "wiser" people in the tradition to keep n00bs like the people in the movie the Craft from doing exactly what they did. But It's just bad karma to do stuff like that, psychologically. People don't like hurting other people, unless of course you're effed up, and when you feel bad, then you feel like bad things happen to you. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. I choose not to hurt people, because I don't want to be reincarnated as a spider next life. But they have a valid point about letting things go. I just don't agree with thier overall assesment of the threefold law. It's a good guideline no matter why it was written.
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 7:52 pm
Silvander It's quite possible, and even reasonable that the three-fold law is merely a proscription written by "wiser" people in the tradition to keep n00bs like the people in the movie the Craft from doing exactly what they did. But It's just bad karma to do stuff like that, psychologically. People don't like hurting other people, unless of course you're effed up, and when you feel bad, then you feel like bad things happen to you. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. I choose not to hurt people, because I don't want to be reincarnated as a spider next life. But they have a valid point about letting things go. I just don't agree with thier overall assesment of the threefold law. It's a good guideline no matter why it was written. I agree with you here. I don't fully believe in the Three-Fold law, but I do see a good purpose, as you stated before. As for people not liking to hurt others, I don't think that's intirely true. At some base level, we do often enjoy seeing the pain of others (why else would boxing, or UFC, be such a big thing?) and there are quite a few people who drag others down to their level, simply to make themselves feel bigger. (P.S. I'm not sure if you were here when Tea was here, but she explained the true definition of karma, and what it really is. I'll go through the pages, to try and dig up the thread for you, and anyone else, just for future reference)
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:09 am
WellThen I agree with you here. I don't fully believe in the Three-Fold law, but I do see a good purpose, as you stated before. As for people not liking to hurt others, I don't think that's intirely true. At some base level, we do often enjoy seeing the pain of others (why else would boxing, or UFC, be such a big thing?) and there are quite a few people who drag others down to their level, simply to make themselves feel bigger. (P.S. I'm not sure if you were here when Tea was here, but she explained the true definition of karma, and what it really is. I'll go through the pages, to try and dig up the thread for you, and anyone else, just for future reference) Most well-adjusted poeple don't like seeing others in pain. Some see it as a vicarious catharsis. Whatever floats your boat. Most people aren't deliberately malicious though. And I am aware of the definition of karma, tht was a rather crude example just to make my point.
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:20 pm
Silvander WellThen I agree with you here. I don't fully believe in the Three-Fold law, but I do see a good purpose, as you stated before. As for people not liking to hurt others, I don't think that's intirely true. At some base level, we do often enjoy seeing the pain of others (why else would boxing, or UFC, be such a big thing?) and there are quite a few people who drag others down to their level, simply to make themselves feel bigger. (P.S. I'm not sure if you were here when Tea was here, but she explained the true definition of karma, and what it really is. I'll go through the pages, to try and dig up the thread for you, and anyone else, just for future reference) Most well-adjusted poeple don't like seeing others in pain. Some see it as a vicarious catharsis. Whatever floats your boat. Most people aren't deliberately malicious though. And I am aware of the definition of karma, tht was a rather crude example just to make my point. Alright, perhaps not, but I've seen too many people not care, or purposely look away, to believe in the goodness of everyone. Some take enjoyement, some take pain, some try to forget, some try to help. Sadly, I've found that the last one tends to be the rarest. Maybe not everyone has my point of view, and I fully appreciate when people see the best in others, I've just learned differently through my life. And sorry about the P.S. I've gotten way to used to people using the wrong definition.
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Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:24 pm
On the subject of slefishness, I would say that someone doing good things without actually putting any real heart into it would not reap any karmic rewards, cuz the true nature of a good deed comes from with a persons heart ^.^
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Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 3:34 pm
WellThen Alright, perhaps not, but I've seen too many people not care, or purposely look away, to believe in the goodness of everyone. Some take enjoyement, some take pain, some try to forget, some try to help. Sadly, I've found that the last one tends to be the rarest. Maybe not everyone has my point of view, and I fully appreciate when people see the best in others, I've just learned differently through my life. And sorry about the P.S. I've gotten way to used to people using the wrong definition. I too am accustomed ot heartless people and idiots. I refuse to count them in my world view. I'm hoping against hope that they don't reproduce. lol xd
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Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 5:56 pm
Silvander WellThen Alright, perhaps not, but I've seen too many people not care, or purposely look away, to believe in the goodness of everyone. Some take enjoyement, some take pain, some try to forget, some try to help. Sadly, I've found that the last one tends to be the rarest. Maybe not everyone has my point of view, and I fully appreciate when people see the best in others, I've just learned differently through my life. And sorry about the P.S. I've gotten way to used to people using the wrong definition. I too am accustomed ot heartless people and idiots. I refuse to count them in my world view. I'm hoping against hope that they don't reproduce. lol xd Maybe we could stick them all on an island.
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Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 10:41 am
WellThen Silvander I too am accustomed ot heartless people and idiots. I refuse to count them in my world view. I'm hoping against hope that they don't reproduce. lol xd Maybe we could stick them all on an island. Totally. Let's evacuate Australia and use that, cuz there's a lot of them. Then we could also have all those cool australian people running around. 3nodding .
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Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 12:48 pm
Silvander WellThen Silvander I too am accustomed ot heartless people and idiots. I refuse to count them in my world view. I'm hoping against hope that they don't reproduce. lol xd Maybe we could stick them all on an island. Totally. Let's evacuate Australia and use that, cuz there's a lot of them. Then we could also have all those cool australian people running around. 3nodding . Hmmm, but then we lose Australia, which I do want to visit... I say the Arctic, where they won't bother penguins, and they'll be eaten by polar bears. 3nodding
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Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 3:19 pm
WellThen Silvander WellThen Silvander I too am accustomed ot heartless people and idiots. I refuse to count them in my world view. I'm hoping against hope that they don't reproduce. lol xd Maybe we could stick them all on an island. Totally. Let's evacuate Australia and use that, cuz there's a lot of them. Then we could also have all those cool australian people running around. 3nodding . Hmmm, but then we lose Australia, which I do want to visit... I say the Arctic, where they won't bother penguins, and they'll be eaten by polar bears. 3nodding Yeah! awesome. We have a plan! I say we start with that one priest dude who was picket military funerals protesting gays. He should be the first to be put on ice. I seriously want to do a binding spell on him. So hateful. crying
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Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 1:03 am
I think the threefold law stands true, it may take longer for the effects to appear but we are not magicians. I do believe all things come in time, and the timing is usually right. I sometimes believe bad things happen to good people because they are being tried... What doesn't kill you makes you stronger, and sometimes wiser, to give advice to others.
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 2:11 pm
That article does have some points, but I wouldn't take anything it says as truth without reading deeper into it.
I don't entirely agree with the Three-Fold Law, as I've seen many, many unpleasant things happen to 'good' people, and great things happen to 'bad' people. I believe that they are good morals to live by, but not completely accurate. If someone kills one of my friends or something along those lines, I'd curse them several times over. Of course I'd also hunt them down and skin them alive, but I would definetly resort to some 'dark magick' as well. If there's some retard being an absolute idiot, I'll smack them over the back of their head just to see them grimace. I just believe they deserve what they dish. Sure, you could call me malicious, cruel, sadistic, etc. but those are my morals, and they work fine for me.
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