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 Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 8:00 pm
Now I know this has been talked aoubt before, but I would like to see what you all think of the subject.
I would like to state that if someone has a different veiw then yours, do NOT Spaz at them about it. Everyone can belive what they would like.
Also, don't come in here and say "i thnks it is stupizzdzz 2 have fagz get hooked!!111oneeleven1111!" Please and thank you.
My veiw on it, it positive, I belive that They should have every right that a straight person has. So what if they have a different veiw on the world. They are normal like veryone else.
"Ask just about anyone. They'll all tell you they're in favor of equal rights for homosexuals. Just name the situation, and ask. They'll all say, yes, gays should have the same rights in housing, jobs, public accomodations, and should have equal access to government benefits, equal protection of the law, etcetera, etcetera.
Then you get to gay marriage.
And that's when all this talk of equality stops dead cold.
More than half of all people in the United States oppose gay marriage, even though three fourths are otherwise supportive of gay rights. This means that many of the same people who are even passionately in favor of gay rights oppose gays on this one issue.
Why all the passion?
It's because there is a lot of misunderstanding about what homosexuality really is, as well as the erroneous assumption that gay people enjoy the same civil rights protections as everyone else. There are also a lot of stereotypes about gay relationships, and even a great deal of misunderstanding of what marriage itself is all about and what its purpose is.
The purpose of this essay, then, is to clear up a few of these misunderstandings and discuss some of facts surrounding gay relationships and marriage, gay and straight.
First, let's discuss what gay relationships are really all about. The stereotype has it that gays are promiscuous, unable to form lasting relationships, and the relationships that do form are shallow and uncommitted. And gays do have such relationships!
But the important fact to note is that just like in straight society, where such relationships also exist, they are a small minority, and exist primarily among the very young. Indeed, one of the most frequent complaints of older gay men is that it is almost impossible to find quality single men to get into a relationship with, because they're already all 'taken!'
If you attend any gay event, such as a Pride festival or a PFLAG convention, you'll find this to be true. As gays age and mature, just like their straight cohorts, they begin to appreciate and find their way into long-term committed relationships.
The values that such gay couples exhibit in their daily lives are often indistinguishable from those of their straight neighbors. They're loyal to their mates, are monogamous, devoted partners. They value and participate in family life, are committed to making their neighborhoods and communities safer and better places to live, and honor and abide by the law. Many make valuable contributions to their communities, serving on school boards, volunteering in community charities, and trying to be good citizens. In doing so, they take full advantage of their relationship to make not only their own lives better, but those of their neighbors as well.
A benefit to heterosexual society of gay marriage is the fact that the commitment of a marriage means the participants are discouraged from promiscous sex. This has the advantage of slowing the spread of sexually transmitted diseases, which know no sexual orientation and are equal opportunity destroyers.
These benefits of gay marriage have changed the attitudes of the majority of people in Denmark and other countries where various forms of gay marriage have been legal for years. Polling results now show that most people there now recognize that the benefits far outweigh the trivial costs, and that far from threatening heterosexual marriage, gay marriage has actually strenghtened it.
So, having established the value of gay marriage, why are people so opposed to it?
Many of the reasons offered for opposing gay marriage are based on the assumption that gays have a choice in who they can feel attracted to, and the reality is quite different. Many people actually believe that gays could simply choose to be heterosexual if they wished. But the reality is that very few do have a choice -- any more than very few heterosexuals could choose which sex to find themselves attracted to.
Additionally, many people continue to believe the propaganda from right-wing religious organizations that homosexuality is about nothing but sex, considering it to be merely a sexual perversion. The reality is that homosexuality is multidimensional, and is much more about love and affection than it is about sex. And this is what gay relationships are based on -- mutual attraction, love and affection. Sex, in a committed gay relationship, is merely a means of expressing that love, just the same as it is for heterosexuals. Being gay is much more profound than simply a sexual relationship; being gay is part of that person's core indentity, and goes right the very center of his being. It's like being black in a society of whites, or a blonde European in a nation of black-haired Asians. Yes, being gay is just that profound to the person who is. This is something that few heterosexuals can understand unless they are part of a minority themselves."
-- http://www.bidstrup.com/marriage.htm
What do you think?
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Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 6:11 am
Now, this is coming from a Bisexual:
We don't need gay marriage.
We don't need marriage period!
Why do you need a stupid piece of paper to tell you that you love someone?
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Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 8:37 am
Nicely written. :3
I honestly don't care if a person is a homophobe, racist, sexist, etc.
They're all opinions, no matter what based on or what the reason is.
Someone who hates gays, someone who likes gays, gays in general, people who don't care. Think about it. They're all opinions, and people are going to continue being hard headed about their stand on an issue unless they change their mind somehow.
What ticks me off is when people act on their opinions. Physically, emotionally, mentally. Charging against people, all because of opposing opinions about something not easily controlled. No one can control race, gender, most of the time sexual preference. People like having power, they like putting people down, knowing they'll have others who follow because no one ever wants anything different. People with authority know they can convince a good percent of the population that a certain opinion, or hell, something uncontrollable like color or sex, is wrong or 'evil'. Because so many are power hungry and so believable, they get followers, and because so much of society today have their minds made up because of what other people say, the only excuse for a lot of discrimination, is rumor or not wanting to appear 'weird' for standing out.
I dunno. There's not much to do about it.
A lot of times I wish people would stop hating homophobes, especially if they don't do anything against gays but state their opinion and that's it. Gays are aloud to parade around about their pride, but straight people can't say once that they don't like it? Come on. =/ All the time, I see people saying things like "Have an open mind, accept gays." When they're just being complete hypocrites about the whole situation because they refuse to accept homophobes' opinions. D;
Opinions are opinions, it's something we have to deal with, we're human, we have minds.
Ummm. Okay, well, I just kind of rambled a bit off topic.
I support gay marriage, yeah. xD
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Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 9:22 am
I believe that if two people wish to get married, they should have every right to regardless of sex, race, disability etc.
I also agree that if two people love each other, it shouldn't be necessary for their commitment to be written on a flimsy piece of paper; real love is beyond that, when a bond between two people is so strong that they would do anything for one another - die for one another - a single piece of paper seems pretty worthless compared to that.
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Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 5:26 pm
Man, I dunno about you. I'm for gay marriage and all but one thing I always notice is it seems like it is impossible to explain gay people their rights. I'm not trying to be a sexually intolerant. But I am an avid player of World of Warcraft, and one of the rules on the ToS of that game was to keep real life issues such as religion and sexuality out of it for the reasons that it was irrelevant to gameplay and could lead to harrasement or full scale racial/sexual slandering.
One player, a young lesbian girl, created a guild in the game that she promoted to be GLBT (Gay Bi Lesbian Transexual) friendly, despite the fact that this had nothing to do with gameplay whatsoever. It was a video game, not a dating service. She was reported and a Game Master told her to quit promoting such things.
Now, this is the thing that always gets to me, and it seems like the gay community does this every time. This attempt to have her rights protected made the young lesbian feel the need to act like she was a horribly repressed minority... in a video game! She actually began leading in-game protests against Blizzard, the company in charge of the game. Over what? The fact that she can't talk about how she's gay in a totally unrelated video game? I was not allowed to mention I was straight. Nobody was allowed to mention their religion. THIS IS NOT SEXUAL OPPRESION! THIS IS SOME OVERLY LIBERAL IDIOT TRYING TO MAKE THEMSELVES LOOK LIKE A CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST HERO.
The fact that she took the company Blizzard to court and won just sickens me. Not because I am intolerant. I honestly don't give a damn about sexuality, but because how defensive some peopel can get about this stuff. In my opinion, Gaia is no different. This is not a dating service. Your sexuality is of no matter until you give people a link to some instant message program or something.
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Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:58 am
DaisyFire I believe that if two people wish to get married, they should have every right to regardless of sex, race, disability etc. I also agree that if two people love each other, it shouldn't be necessary for their commitment to be written on a flimsy piece of paper; real love is beyond that, when a bond between two people is so strong that they would do anything for one another - die for one another - a single piece of paper seems pretty worthless compared to that. And for the record, we do that so that if the love doesn't work out, the legal system makes the dividing of materials easy to sort out. You'll be sorry you didn't listen to me when the fact that the lack of a flimsy piece of paper you speak of cheats you out of your ex's mercedes.
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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:10 am
I am bisexual and I fully support gay marriage.
It's not that a peice of paper is needed to justify one's love.
It's the message of eqaulity that peice of paper represents.
Also, I have done an extensive research paper on the topic a few years ago and the list of benefits married couples get is absolutely endless.
Even something like staying with your partner in the hospital is not allowed without a marriage license, no matter how many years you've been together.
Religion isn't a part of it to me. The government cannot make any church, synagogue, or temple marry partners of the same sex.
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Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 8:45 am
I am heterosexual, and I fully support gay marriage. I believe they should have every right that we do. And I do mean EVERY RIGHT!! It is not the churches place to tell someone how they are supposed to live their lives. That is an invasion of privacy. Not to mention I really can't stand most "christians" rightnow cause of that one church group going around and picketing at the funerals of our sholdiers saying that they deserved to die because they are fighting for a country that supports homosexuality. I believe what you say. It would benefit the heterosexual community very much if we just went ahead and aloud it, not to mention all teh tax dollars would be saved if we just went and ahead and said "yes you can get married!!" Instead of "no we are going to poll it and see what the majority think we should do."........I have said my piece.
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Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 6:44 pm
These Posts Are Way Too Long. I Believe That If A Person Is Interested In Another Person Of The Same Sex That Is No Body Else's Business.
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 6:17 pm
If you love someone, go ahead and get married if you want. It doesn't matter who you are. We're all people. What position does the government hold to judge who is and who is not a person?
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