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Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 2:48 pm

okay i have a question regarding wild beastmaster, i read that i can blood rush before its effect (all other attacking creatures get plus +x/+x where X is wild beastmasters attack) but if i blood rushed one for say +3/+2 all my creatures will get +4/+4 but if i had a second one on the field would its effect give my creatures +1/+1 (its base attack) or would it give +5/+5 its modified attack from the first wild beastmaster attacking?

Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 11:21 pm

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okay i have a question regarding wild beastmaster, i read that i can blood rush before its effect (all other attacking creatures get plus +x/+x where X is wild beastmasters attack) but if i blood rushed one for say +3/+2 all my creatures will get +4/+4 but if i had a second one on the field would its effect give my creatures +1/+1 (its base attack) or would it give +5/+5 its modified attack from the first wild beastmaster attacking?

You have 2 beastmasters we'll call one bob and the other joe. you attack with both. you choose which one goes off first. we'll say bob's does. joe would then get +1+1. Joe's abbil will then trigger next giving Bob +2+2 (bobs p/t is 1/1 Plus the +1+1 from bob). Joe would be a 2/2 and Bob would be a 3/3.

Now using your bloodrush, before abbility triggers. Bob and joe attack. you bloodrush Bob for +3+2 before abbil trigger. Bob is now a 4/3. Bob gives joe +4+4. Joe's abbility now triggers, Joe gives bob +5+5.. Bob is a 9/8, joe is a 5/5.

You of course have to do all of this before blockers are declared because the triggers happen right when you declare bob and joe as attackers.

hope this helps

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Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 2:43 am

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okay i have a question regarding wild beastmaster, i read that i can blood rush before its effect (all other attacking creatures get plus +x/+x where X is wild beastmasters attack) but if i blood rushed one for say +3/+2 all my creatures will get +4/+4 but if i had a second one on the field would its effect give my creatures +1/+1 (its base attack) or would it give +5/+5 its modified attack from the first wild beastmaster attacking?

You have 2 beastmasters we'll call one bob and the other joe. you attack with both. you choose which one goes off first. we'll say bob's does. joe would then get +1+1. Joe's abbil will then trigger next giving Bob +2+2 (bobs p/t is 1/1 Plus the +1+1 from bob). Joe would be a 2/2 and Bob would be a 3/3.

Now using your bloodrush, before abbility triggers. Bob and joe attack. you bloodrush Bob for +3+2 before abbil trigger. Bob is now a 4/3. Bob gives joe +4+4. Joe's abbility now triggers, Joe gives bob +5+5.. Bob is a 9/8, joe is a 5/5.

You of course have to do all of this before blockers are declared because the triggers happen right when you declare bob and joe as attackers.

hope this helps

Thats what I thought would happen but i wasn't sure. I didn't know if the effects would resolve on the stack or resolve simultaneously. I'ma check with my local judge just to make sure she follows that rule because sometimes she's a lil off xD but will usually admit it if you can prove your point.
I'm considering using wild beastmasters as the main part of a gruul bloodrush deck since no one around here has done anything similar (no gruul other than burn/huntsman decks) and my cousin used to use gruul (the deck i'm fixing) but it moved WAY to slow to ever win.

Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 10:30 am

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Master Zankou

okay i have a question regarding wild beastmaster, i read that i can blood rush before its effect (all other attacking creatures get plus +x/+x where X is wild beastmasters attack) but if i blood rushed one for say +3/+2 all my creatures will get +4/+4 but if i had a second one on the field would its effect give my creatures +1/+1 (its base attack) or would it give +5/+5 its modified attack from the first wild beastmaster attacking?

You have 2 beastmasters we'll call one bob and the other joe. you attack with both. you choose which one goes off first. we'll say bob's does. joe would then get +1+1. Joe's abbil will then trigger next giving Bob +2+2 (bobs p/t is 1/1 Plus the +1+1 from bob). Joe would be a 2/2 and Bob would be a 3/3.

Now using your bloodrush, before abbility triggers. Bob and joe attack. you bloodrush Bob for +3+2 before abbil trigger. Bob is now a 4/3. Bob gives joe +4+4. Joe's abbility now triggers, Joe gives bob +5+5.. Bob is a 9/8, joe is a 5/5.

You of course have to do all of this before blockers are declared because the triggers happen right when you declare bob and joe as attackers.

hope this helps

Thats what I thought would happen but i wasn't sure. I didn't know if the effects would resolve on the stack or resolve simultaneously. I'ma check with my local judge just to make sure she follows that rule because sometimes she's a lil off xD but will usually admit it if you can prove your point.
I'm considering using wild beastmasters as the main part of a gruul bloodrush deck since no one around here has done anything similar (no gruul other than burn/huntsman decks) and my cousin used to use gruul (the deck i'm fixing) but it moved WAY to slow to ever win.

it's a pretty fun deck, but it requires beast master too much. Rancor is a must though.

Anyways abilities like that always use the stack and go off one at a time. I would suggest taking the rules adviser/lvl1 judge test if your local judge is off sometimes.

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Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 2:41 pm

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okay i have a question regarding wild beastmaster, i read that i can blood rush before its effect (all other attacking creatures get plus +x/+x where X is wild beastmasters attack) but if i blood rushed one for say +3/+2 all my creatures will get +4/+4 but if i had a second one on the field would its effect give my creatures +1/+1 (its base attack) or would it give +5/+5 its modified attack from the first wild beastmaster attacking?

You have 2 beastmasters we'll call one bob and the other joe. you attack with both. you choose which one goes off first. we'll say bob's does. joe would then get +1+1. Joe's abbil will then trigger next giving Bob +2+2 (bobs p/t is 1/1 Plus the +1+1 from bob). Joe would be a 2/2 and Bob would be a 3/3.

Now using your bloodrush, before abbility triggers. Bob and joe attack. you bloodrush Bob for +3+2 before abbil trigger. Bob is now a 4/3. Bob gives joe +4+4. Joe's abbility now triggers, Joe gives bob +5+5.. Bob is a 9/8, joe is a 5/5.

You of course have to do all of this before blockers are declared because the triggers happen right when you declare bob and joe as attackers.

hope this helps

Thats what I thought would happen but i wasn't sure. I didn't know if the effects would resolve on the stack or resolve simultaneously. I'ma check with my local judge just to make sure she follows that rule because sometimes she's a lil off xD but will usually admit it if you can prove your point.
I'm considering using wild beastmasters as the main part of a gruul bloodrush deck since no one around here has done anything similar (no gruul other than burn/huntsman decks) and my cousin used to use gruul (the deck i'm fixing) but it moved WAY to slow to ever win.

it's a pretty fun deck, but it requires beast master too much. Rancor is a must though.

Anyways abilities like that always use the stack and go off one at a time. I would suggest taking the rules adviser/lvl1 judge test if your local judge is off sometimes.

it seems that way, I just need a break from my mono black zombies really. and my cousin spent alot of my money making a gruul deck thats been used like once so i'm using my spare cards to make it more aggro. He had only wasteland vipers and burning trees under 4 drops in the entire deck. i'm adding alot more speed with loyal legionists, wild beast masters, zhur-taa druids. once i get the rest of the cards it will be more wild beast master focus but like i said atm its just left overs trying to speed his up to competitive speed.

She's only made like 1-2 mistakes which she's apologised for and if she had any doubts she looks up the ruling to be doubly sure. She's only a level 1 judge herself but i'm pretty sure i've been playing longer than her lol. I've considered taking the judge test but have been unsure about it.

Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 8:21 pm

Just be careful of -X/-X effects, you could get yourself in a situation where your field gets wiped out by a tragic slip,

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