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 Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:24 am
Why does the Moon represent the Goddess and the Sun represent the God?
Wouldn't it make more sense to be the other way around? I read an article a bit ago about how it used to originally be reversed, but rather recently people started associating the Sun with the God and the Moon with the Goddess.
I personally feel more comfortable with the Moon representing the God and the Sun representing the Goddess.
Does anyone else or am I just the odd one out?
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Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:30 am
Do you still have the article?
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Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:27 pm
X-Yami-no-Ko-X Do you still have the article? Couldn't find it again (I found it the first time by link surfing) But I found a discussion on a completely different forum, in a completely different website. http://www.wiccantogether.com/forum/topics/sun-goddess-moon-god
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Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 1:27 pm
Don't know about Wiccan myself but in many cultures, its all about the climate. In warmer climates, like Greece, Rome, and Egypt, it actually makes a lot of sense for the cultures to consider the moon feminine and the sun masculine, as the sun is powerful, harsh, and even dangerous and the moon is more a soothing balm. On the other hand, some cultures, like the Norse did things the other way round because in a much colder, and often darker climate, the sun is warmth, and comfort, and nurtures life, while the moon is cold and harsh.
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Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 1:35 pm
CalledTheRaven Don't know about Wiccan myself but in many cultures, its all about the climate. In warmer climates, like Greece, Rome, and Egypt, it actually makes a lot of sense for the cultures to consider the moon feminine and the sun masculine, as the sun is powerful, harsh, and even dangerous and the moon is more a soothing balm. On the other hand, some cultures, like the Norse did things the other way round because in a much colder, and often darker climate, the sun is warmth, and comfort, and nurtures life, while the moon is cold and harsh. So it's mainly a cultural thing, then? That makes sense.
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Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 3:16 pm
Whiskey Rat Why does the Moon represent the Goddess and the Sun represent the God? have you ever read the Gospel of Aradia? That was one of the sources Gardner used to form his cult and then witches also too it from there. Strega has it that way. Strega is an ancient Italian witchcraft tradition. Whiskey Rat Wouldn't it make more sense to be the other way around? I read an article a bit ago about how it used to originally be reversed, but rather recently people started associating the Sun with the God and the Moon with the Goddess. It might also have to do with the Goddess having underworld aspects that the God does not have. Whiskey Rat I personally feel more comfortable with the Moon representing the God and the Sun representing the Goddess. Then you might be more comfortable with the Germanic style of witchcraft. They have a Mon God and a Sun Goddess. Whiskey Rat Does anyone else or am I just the odd one out? It is something I think we all need to come up with for ourselves.
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Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:26 pm
Loona Wynd Whiskey Rat Why does the Moon represent the Goddess and the Sun represent the God? have you ever read the Gospel of Aradia? That was one of the sources Gardner used to form his cult and then witches also too it from there. Strega has it that way. Strega is an ancient Italian witchcraft tradition. Whiskey Rat Wouldn't it make more sense to be the other way around? I read an article a bit ago about how it used to originally be reversed, but rather recently people started associating the Sun with the God and the Moon with the Goddess. It might also have to do with the Goddess having underworld aspects that the God does not have. Whiskey Rat I personally feel more comfortable with the Moon representing the God and the Sun representing the Goddess. Then you might be more comfortable with the Germanic style of witchcraft. They have a Mon God and a Sun Goddess. Whiskey Rat Does anyone else or am I just the odd one out? It is something I think we all need to come up with for ourselves. I'll look into the Germanic style then. I was raised in a German-heritage city, and might be far more comfortable with it. Thanks man!
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Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:53 pm
CalledTheRaven Don't know about Wiccan myself but in many cultures, its all about the climate. In warmer climates, like Greece, Rome, and Egypt, it actually makes a lot of sense for the cultures to consider the moon feminine and the sun masculine, as the sun is powerful, harsh, and even dangerous and the moon is more a soothing balm. On the other hand, some cultures, like the Norse did things the other way round because in a much colder, and often darker climate, the sun is warmth, and comfort, and nurtures life, while the moon is cold and harsh. This is a very good point. I personally believe that for each Moon God there is a Moon Goddess and vise versa. For me the Goddess at night as the moon makes sense. In the night when I was afraid as a child who did I turn to? My mom, not my dad but my mom. In primal times night was frightening...so the goddess ruling the night to protect her children makes sense in that regards.
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Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:13 pm
CalledTheRaven Don't know about Wiccan myself but in many cultures, its all about the climate. In warmer climates, like Greece, Rome, and Egypt, it actually makes a lot of sense for the cultures to consider the moon feminine and the sun masculine, as the sun is powerful, harsh, and even dangerous and the moon is more a soothing balm. On the other hand, some cultures, like the Norse did things the other way round because in a much colder, and often darker climate, the sun is warmth, and comfort, and nurtures life, while the moon is cold and harsh. Actually, as far as I know all the Egyptian lunar deities are male and the actual sun was also male. Though the Eye of Ra was also consider solar and was always female.
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Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:04 am
X-Yami-no-Ko-X CalledTheRaven Don't know about Wiccan myself but in many cultures, its all about the climate. In warmer climates, like Greece, Rome, and Egypt, it actually makes a lot of sense for the cultures to consider the moon feminine and the sun masculine, as the sun is powerful, harsh, and even dangerous and the moon is more a soothing balm. On the other hand, some cultures, like the Norse did things the other way round because in a much colder, and often darker climate, the sun is warmth, and comfort, and nurtures life, while the moon is cold and harsh. Actually, as far as I know all the Egyptian lunar deities are male and the actual sun was also male. Though the Eye of Ra was also consider solar and was always female. Noted. Sorry for the mistake.
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Sanguina Cruenta Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 3:17 pm
Quote: Strega has it that way. Strega is an ancient Italian witchcraft tradition. Strega is the Italian word for witch. It's weird to me that a form of Italian witchcraft would just call itself "witch". Whiskey Rat I'll look into the Germanic style then. Mani and Sunna don't get massive amounts of attention in Germanic Paganism. Those interested in magic tend to pay more attention to Oðinn and Freyja. So if you go that route, I'm not sure the gender of the deities associated with the moon and sun will end up making that much of a difference.
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Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 7:00 pm
Sanguina Cruenta Quote: Strega has it that way. Strega is an ancient Italian witchcraft tradition. Strega is the Italian word for witch. It's weird to me that a form of Italian witchcraft would just call itself "witch". Whiskey Rat I'll look into the Germanic style then. Mani and Sunna don't get massive amounts of attention in Germanic Paganism. Those interested in magic tend to pay more attention to Oðinn and Freyja. So if you go that route, I'm not sure the gender of the deities associated with the moon and sun will end up making that much of a difference. Yeah, realized it was for the Norse pantheon, and....well...I have massive issues with Oðinn anyways. Guess I won't be taking that path.
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Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 7:02 pm
Whiskey Rat Sanguina Cruenta Quote: Strega has it that way. Strega is an ancient Italian witchcraft tradition. Strega is the Italian word for witch. It's weird to me that a form of Italian witchcraft would just call itself "witch". Whiskey Rat I'll look into the Germanic style then. Mani and Sunna don't get massive amounts of attention in Germanic Paganism. Those interested in magic tend to pay more attention to Oðinn and Freyja. So if you go that route, I'm not sure the gender of the deities associated with the moon and sun will end up making that much of a difference. Yeah, realized it was for the Norse pantheon, and....well...I have massive issues with Oðinn anyways. Guess I won't be taking that path. Well, Norse and related, like the more continental versions and the Anglo-Saxon stuff. What are you issues with Odinn, if I may ask? You won't upset me. I'm just curious. Also, yeah Strega is a witch but isn't the other term Stregheria or something like that?
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Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 7:10 pm
CalledTheRaven Whiskey Rat Sanguina Cruenta Quote: Strega has it that way. Strega is an ancient Italian witchcraft tradition. Strega is the Italian word for witch. It's weird to me that a form of Italian witchcraft would just call itself "witch". Whiskey Rat I'll look into the Germanic style then. Mani and Sunna don't get massive amounts of attention in Germanic Paganism. Those interested in magic tend to pay more attention to Oðinn and Freyja. So if you go that route, I'm not sure the gender of the deities associated with the moon and sun will end up making that much of a difference. Yeah, realized it was for the Norse pantheon, and....well...I have massive issues with Oðinn anyways. Guess I won't be taking that path. Well, Norse and related, like the more continental versions and the Anglo-Saxon stuff. What are you issues with Odinn, if I may ask? You won't upset me. I'm just curious. I think he's an egomaniac and a glory hound (Well a lot of gods are, but I take offense to him in particular), he doesn't like being called that, when I tried to call on him in ritual ages ago we fought each other the entire time, and the ritual was bust. It ended with me shouting insults that would have made a sailor blush. We just... really don't get on. Like, if he took on mortal form and we met, it would break down into a brawl. I'm sure he works out well for other Pagans, and that's fine; I've got no grudge against them for working with him, I just can't.
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Sanguina Cruenta Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 7:19 pm
That's really odd that that's your experience, given that Odin likes to go about as a wandering human. He deliberately pretends to be someone much less impressive than He actually is.
Out of interest, why did you invite Him over and then insult Him?
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