Over the course of the past 7-8 years, I have studied various fields within the realm of paranormal and a number of tertiary fields as well. My basic propositions are that:
A) We are in a paradigm of fear and control
1) The tools used to create this paradigm are religion and politics
B) We (as a species) are capable of shifting the paradigm to one of 'magic'
Proposition A (and subcategory 1) can be explained as such, and while much of the world may have some similar situation, I can only explain it from an American perspective (because I live here sweatdrop )
Human belief systems (the current paradigm) is controlled via politics and religion. The media is one of the larger tools used for this purpose (propaganda). There are no willfully stateless (government-free, therefore, propaganda-free) societies on Earth as we know it. Humans within each society fear each other to an extent because politics perpetuates a fear of one another in order to remain in power. If humans trusted one another, there would be no need for a government, and some humans crave control over one another. Loss of that control promotes fear in humans as well as their 'leaders' and thus creates a paradigm of fear for control as well as fear of control and fear of the loss of control. I can go in further detail if requested.
Proposition B is fairly simple but the methodology and tools that are to be used to create such a paradigm shift have yet to be fully fleshed out:
In the most basic of terms, 'magic' (note I am not using the Alister Crowley method of spelling) for this particular use merely implies use and understanding of the naturally-occurring subtle energies within ourselves and the universe that surrounds us. This includes but is not limited to: magick, psi, alchemy, chi, qui, prana, etc. The aim of creating a paradigm of magic is more along the lines of creating a paradigm of 'love/acceptance' of these energies and a desire to live in openness rather than fear, and to work independently rather than forcibly impose control over one another.
Does this make sense, do you think it's possible, and do you think it's a good idea and/or worth trying?
I look forward to your comments smile
Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 5:23 pm
I think just about anything is worth trying.
However, I don't think it's as simple as people being taught to fear one another by media or governments or ignorance. People fear one another because people are assholes capable of atrocity. I can perfectly love and perfectly trust very few people and none of them are strangers.
Some people are such that they will rob or kill you if given the opportunity and I'm not willing to be a martyr for some kind of paradigm shift. I think what you're trying to combat is human nature itself and that is an extremely tall order.
However, I don't think it's as simple as people being taught to fear one another by media or governments or ignorance. People fear one another because people are assholes capable of atrocity. I can perfectly love and perfectly trust very few people and none of them are strangers.
Some people are such that they will rob or kill you if given the opportunity and I'm not willing to be a martyr for some kind of paradigm shift. I think what you're trying to combat is human nature itself and that is an extremely tall order.
Media and propaganda has been used since nearly the dawn of human civilization. Even the ancient Egyptians used at least some form of propaganda to rile up enough support to fight against their enemies. People will do anything for a cause they believe in, even if the cause is only to keep their way of life.
Disputes between 'commoners' is more often dealt with by 'authorities' who are allowed to take care of them rather than deal with them directly with our own logic and abilities. I am not saying that neighbors should perfectly love or trust one another, but merely be willing to deal with one another in a logical and semi-civil manner rather than resorting to institutionalized violence (government) to 'take care' of issues as they arise, or resorting to violence of any sort (aside from self defense) if at all possible. We as individuals have become extraordinarily lazy when it comes to these kinds of negotiations (at least in my observations), as for example the generalization that 'people are assholes' and it's 'human nature' to be an a*****e.
In my observation, most humans are not as narcissistic as believed and would be more than willing to help out each other. I don't believe that equating all humans with the few who are willing to rob or kill is a fair assessment of the species as a whole and does little to help any cause, especially one that condones a shift of this magnitude. The few who give the rest a bad name are often the result of extraordinary circumstances.
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:23 pm
Hope Legacy
Obscurus
I think just about anything is worth trying.
However, I don't think it's as simple as people being taught to fear one another by media or governments or ignorance. People fear one another because people are assholes capable of atrocity. I can perfectly love and perfectly trust very few people and none of them are strangers.
Some people are such that they will rob or kill you if given the opportunity and I'm not willing to be a martyr for some kind of paradigm shift. I think what you're trying to combat is human nature itself and that is an extremely tall order.
Media and propaganda has been used since nearly the dawn of human civilization. Even the ancient Egyptians used at least some form of propaganda to rile up enough support to fight against their enemies. People will do anything for a cause they believe in, even if the cause is only to keep their way of life.
Disputes between 'commoners' is more often dealt with by 'authorities' who are allowed to take care of them rather than deal with them directly with our own logic and abilities. I am not saying that neighbors should perfectly love or trust one another, but merely be willing to deal with one another in a logical and semi-civil manner rather than resorting to institutionalized violence (government) to 'take care' of issues as they arise, or resorting to violence of any sort (aside from self defense) if at all possible. We as individuals have become extraordinarily lazy when it comes to these kinds of negotiations (at least in my observations), as for example the generalization that 'people are assholes' and it's 'human nature' to be an a*****e.
In my observation, most humans are not as narcissistic as believed and would be more than willing to help out each other. I don't believe that equating all humans with the few who are willing to rob or kill is a fair assessment of the species as a whole and does little to help any cause, especially one that condones a shift of this magnitude. The few who give the rest a bad name are often the result of extraordinary circumstances.
If you can make this work then I'll be more than happy to jump on board with it. However, I see too much humanity on a daily basis to change my general opinion that people are usually assholes ready to take advantage of you in any way they can. Basically what I'm saying is that if you can do this by living it and you don't get slammed with what I consider the reality of the species then I'll be more willing to believe that people are inherently good and loving to their fellow man.
If you can make this work then I'll be more than happy to jump on board with it. However, I see too much humanity on a daily basis to change my general opinion that people are usually assholes ready to take advantage of you in any way they can. Basically what I'm saying is that if you can do this by living it and you don't get slammed with what I consider the reality of the species then I'll be more willing to believe that people are inherently good and loving to their fellow man.
I understand your sentiments. Perhaps I am being naive, but based on a significant portion of my own observations, most people just want to 'get by' and will do whatever is within their power to do so. If getting by requires them to lie, cheat, steal or whatnot, then generally people will do it. If getting by just requires you to turn on your turn signal while driving an appropriate speed to pass, then most will do it. The significant portion of driving experiences do not consist of crashes or people racing or being general asshats; otherwise there wouldn't be a free hospital bed in the whole USA. The same can be said in general - not everyone is out to get you and the small minority of those who are generally give a bad name to the majority.
I am rather likely to get 'slammed' by the asshats of my species, however, it will be because I am trying to change their complacent hunting grounds into a jungle of thoughtful prey who would have interesting reactions to traditional hunting methods. Prey with brains are generally much harder to capture and control, and the more who are capable, the easier it will be to find the predators and resist them.
The trouble is, 'making it work.' I'm still in the planning stages at the moment and am posting primarily in an attempt to organize and legitimize a method for the madness. Part B of the initial post is where I am hoping to focus this thread if all who are participating agree with parts A and subcategory 1, and if any of you can think of more to add or a more concise way to organize it, any help is much appreciated. 3nodding
I much appreciate that you bothered to respond, Obscurus; it does appear that this guild is either dead or just not as lively as it once was. I hope this thread can help to bring it back if only a small fraction.
Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 5:07 pm
Hope Legacy
Obscurus
If you can make this work then I'll be more than happy to jump on board with it. However, I see too much humanity on a daily basis to change my general opinion that people are usually assholes ready to take advantage of you in any way they can. Basically what I'm saying is that if you can do this by living it and you don't get slammed with what I consider the reality of the species then I'll be more willing to believe that people are inherently good and loving to their fellow man.
I understand your sentiments. Perhaps I am being naive, but based on a significant portion of my own observations, most people just want to 'get by' and will do whatever is within their power to do so. If getting by requires them to lie, cheat, steal or whatnot, then generally people will do it. If getting by just requires you to turn on your turn signal while driving an appropriate speed to pass, then most will do it. The significant portion of driving experiences do not consist of crashes or people racing or being general asshats; otherwise there wouldn't be a free hospital bed in the whole USA. The same can be said in general - not everyone is out to get you and the small minority of those who are generally give a bad name to the majority.
I am rather likely to get 'slammed' by the asshats of my species, however, it will be because I am trying to change their complacent hunting grounds into a jungle of thoughtful prey who would have interesting reactions to traditional hunting methods. Prey with brains are generally much harder to capture and control, and the more who are capable, the easier it will be to find the predators and resist them.
The trouble is, 'making it work.' I'm still in the planning stages at the moment and am posting primarily in an attempt to organize and legitimize a method for the madness. Part B of the initial post is where I am hoping to focus this thread if all who are participating agree with parts A and subcategory 1, and if any of you can think of more to add or a more concise way to organize it, any help is much appreciated. 3nodding
I much appreciate that you bothered to respond, Obscurus; it does appear that this guild is either dead or just not as lively as it once was. I hope this thread can help to bring it back if only a small fraction.
I think your goal is admirable; I'm just much too jaded and that's not the fault of your ideas.
Most of the regulars here have gotten drawn into being grown-ups, I think. We're all busy trying to just get by. blaugh If my posting here helps draw people back in then consider this my first contribution to your cause. xd
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