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 Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 12:46 pm
I Now Dub Thee a Sir... In a Real Odd Way...
Involved Parties: Opal, Robotic, Time Lord, Sean
Problem: So, in various media Morgana/ Morgaine has been able to "Knight" people. It's not a means to Knight someone in the traditional sense like those of the Round Table by this Knight it pretty much means to take over said person and turn them into her slave. She has been shown to do this to people like Batman and it is roughly based on the concept of the Green Knight from Arthurian Legend.
Now, why I bring this up is because Time Lord and Sean brought it up in the Mod Skype and it kind of got heated. So... Naturally I want it resolved. Morgana wants to "Knight" Damian aka Wonderboy. Some even say he has already been "Knighted" but I can't seem to find it personally. As such all parties will present their cases as to why or why shouldn't Morgana be allowed to take her action.
If it has been a simple misunderstanding, hopefully, people will clear up the mess that this has become.
Sean Bito will be aiding me in proceedings. Please quote everyone involved in each post.
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Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 1:10 pm
From what I have seen in the cartoons, Morgaine doesn't need to Knight a person in the traditional sense. In Brave and the Bold (near the end), she only looked at Batman and Knighted him. Now for magical resistant beings, she had to do this indirectly as when she took over Wonder Woman's body before in the comics in which she had to fight Wonder Woman on multiple occasions due to interference by Etrigan before finally getting her alone to deal the final blow. The latter is where this incident may have seemingly occurred in this Roleplay. Damian took damage from a spell that was made to drain his energy, which would expose him, if it didn't already, to making him susceptible to her magic later down the line. According to Robo, he stated "The male seemed to be alive given how his eyes showed fear as they fell. Quickly reaching the male, he wrapped his arms around the male before turning so that when they fell Wonder Boy would take the damage instead." Damian was surrounded by an array of spore like bombs that all derived from the same being meant to weaken him in the first place. There were more opportunities he could have taken to avoid it such as using the debris for shielding and so on, but he took the attack head on to save the guard. Reading through, I cannot find where she said she knighted him, but is he now susceptible to her magic because it was meant to drain him like she (Morgaine) had done to Wonder Woman before to steal her body/drain her youth? I would more than likely believe that to be the case. That means without the interference of another magical being, Damian would more than likely be affected by a spell he took damage from before that would make him susceptible to being Knighted. Now because I believe it's better for the person at hand to weigh in on the matter, something that was advised to have been done before, I will let Opal present her case in the next post and then so on and so forth.
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Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 4:37 pm
Thank you so much for putting this up and I will gladly present the issue that would need clarity if it's needed. I believe the matter lies in the fact that it is assumed that through this method of capabilities, a method I will bring up later in this post, is that Indoctrination occurred already. Taking that with Morgaine's abilities, she can do that right away without a state of warning, what I try to produce for a guild is a state of fairness, especially when controlling Omega-Level characters at which case if I wanted to be a**l about the situation and do some things, a person would literally have little leeway to what occurs. But no, I set her to a cap and if someone cannot find a method effective enough to avoid these matters, then I can't place the blame on myself for that situation. That is what brings me to the matter at hand now. Yes, Sean and Roxas, you are correct. Damian did not get Knighted because I did not want for that to happen as I already explained if she was really serious about the situation, she could have done it then and there. Taking into account that the Paris event was right around the corner, she left it at that, but did damage Damian previously before from the explosive spell. This spell was not just explosions, but also yielded to the same effects that the Anubis creation had: If Damian were to get hit by it, he would find himself drained which would make him susceptible even presently because he spell has found a way to get into his skin from the wounds. Even the smallest of scratches would cause this to happen. When reading through that post, Damian has indicated he took damage from the explosions as if he were with the route of taking damage from the fall, his bio has both Durability and an Enhanced Healing Factor to cover such an issue. When also taking into account that I stated they were spores, I did not say they were spore like. They looked like orbs, but it should be taken into account that spores are small and several of them were positioned around him as a retaliatory move and several more around the surrounding area, which altogether took out part of the museum with it. To summarize: If it was your intention, Robo, to state that he took damage from the fall instead, you did not effectively counter the spells that were around Damian and only responded to what the other bombs had done which was cause the Museum to begin caving in. Because it was not effectively stated, I and others more than likely would assume that you did take damage from the explosions which would then result in you being harmed from the spell she laced the Being with in the first place indirectly, which would mean it's already been introduced in to your blood stream and the moment that if Damian were to fight her again, she could Indoctrinate him without fail. This was used against Wonder Woman as well, but Morgana didn't use it to Knight her. She used it to try and steal her youth, but thanks to Etrigan's interference with allowing Diana to sacrifice that aspect, Morgana turned to dust, but would then appear later to try and take over her body and for the most part she succeeds through this method, but once more Etrigan foils it. Now I am completely fine in letting this matter go, but if this is a chance to let an incident occur IC, then I would be a fool in not taking it. It would also mean that the clarity issues were not on my end and if anyone had asked me the first time around about this incident as I never stated that the Knighting had already occurred so I could be fair to everyone, I would have gladly clarified it. Now I will leave this to whoever has to post next.
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 7:57 am
I would like to point out that my issue with it lied less with Wonder Boy being Knighted than it happening without any kind of warning or discussion with the writer of the character. Additionally, there was a misrepresentation when the situation was being explained to me that implied that she cast a different spell on Damian without there being solid evidence of it happening in any post. Now that it has been explained which spell was cast, I can see the evidence of it happening. However, I still don't exactly agree with it happening without a warning to the writer, but as neither half of the exchange(Wonder Boy and Morgaine) are my characters, I suppose it's not really for me to say how it happens. I apologize.
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The Master Time Lord Captain
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 11:44 am
So, I'm just going to go ahead and say this since I never got a chance to what with everything that went on. I'm not against whatever it is that is supposed to be happening to Wonder Boy, I'd just like to know what the hell is going to happen to him. I understand that he's essentially going to become a puppet or what have you, but does he retain the ability to speak despite his actions being controlled by Morgaine? You mentioned interference by another magic user to truly free him, so I'm essentially stuck "serving" her until said magic user arrives, yes? I'd just like to know what happens and what this entails is all.
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 12:23 pm
In regards to Jack, I was shown the log of what occurred and if needed to provide evidence if Roxas and Sean demands it, I will. This was done so that I could see what was going on and see how to offer a remedy. The matter that occurred was that you didn't let anyone fully explain the matter before you blew up and when reading that I decided to do something OOC when it was clearly written in the RP, I take great offense to that. I could have informed Robo about the situation, but know that even if he were to be informed, what was he going to do with that information? Seemingly know something happened and try to find a solution to it? I keep everything IC and what happens through that, happens. If they have a question about the matter, they can bring it up then, but other than that, I don't see where it's my job to inform everyone of every little detail that goes on in the Roleplay when they're sitting there reading it like everyone else is. Now on to Robotic, your character will have full control over themselves. They will not be a mindless zombie, but they know they aim to serve Morgaine. Meaning they would still have the same personality, though it may be darker in nature. Other than that, they are free to do as they please. Perhaps if all goes well with the Shining Knight, can it become undone. I think that's it or are there anymore questions?
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Posted: Fri May 15, 2015 2:13 pm
So, it's basically just an inclination to help, protect and or serve her and nothing more?
Meaning their basically just thoughts that either be ignored or acted upon?
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Posted: Fri May 15, 2015 6:47 pm
Robotic Dominican So, it's basically just an inclination to help, protect and or serve her and nothing more?
Meaning their basically just thoughts that either be ignored or acted upon? It's to serve her and her cause like a knight to a queen and their country, literally. This can be seen with how she uses Etrigan until he is freed by Merlin in both the comics and cartoons and specifically with Batman in the cartoons: A person will retain their rationale, but can they ignore it if she were to call upon them? No. She could summon them there on most occasions. Batman by all extent and purposes could act like he normally would, but with being Knighted, that personality took a darker twist. For example, he wanted to kill Green Arrow and it's known Batman won't go to such lengths, at least not in that matter, so you could play your character out how they are, but they would serve the person who Knighted them,
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Posted: Sat May 16, 2015 3:02 am
xXOpal_KoboiXx Robotic Dominican So, it's basically just an inclination to help, protect and or serve her and nothing more?
Meaning their basically just thoughts that either be ignored or acted upon? It's to serve her and her cause like a knight to a queen and their country, literally. This can be seen with how she uses Etrigan until he is freed by Merlin in both the comics and cartoons and specifically with Batman in the cartoons: A person will retain their rationale, but can they ignore it if she were to call upon them? No. She could summon them there on most occasions. Batman by all extent and purposes could act like he normally would, but with being Knighted, that personality took a darker twist. For example, he wanted to kill Green Arrow and it's known Batman won't go to such lengths, at least not in that matter, so you could play your character out how they are, but they would serve the person who Knighted them, But you have not done this yet. Right?
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Posted: Sat May 16, 2015 4:55 am
Uchiha Roxas xXOpal_KoboiXx Robotic Dominican So, it's basically just an inclination to help, protect and or serve her and nothing more?
Meaning their basically just thoughts that either be ignored or acted upon? It's to serve her and her cause like a knight to a queen and their country, literally. This can be seen with how she uses Etrigan until he is freed by Merlin in both the comics and cartoons and specifically with Batman in the cartoons: A person will retain their rationale, but can they ignore it if she were to call upon them? No. She could summon them there on most occasions. Batman by all extent and purposes could act like he normally would, but with being Knighted, that personality took a darker twist. For example, he wanted to kill Green Arrow and it's known Batman won't go to such lengths, at least not in that matter, so you could play your character out how they are, but they would serve the person who Knighted them, But you have not done this yet. Right? Right, it hasn't happened yet. The fight from before was just to make him susceptible to it occurring.
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Posted: Sat May 16, 2015 5:52 am
xXOpal_KoboiXx Uchiha Roxas xXOpal_KoboiXx Robotic Dominican So, it's basically just an inclination to help, protect and or serve her and nothing more?
Meaning their basically just thoughts that either be ignored or acted upon? It's to serve her and her cause like a knight to a queen and their country, literally. This can be seen with how she uses Etrigan until he is freed by Merlin in both the comics and cartoons and specifically with Batman in the cartoons: A person will retain their rationale, but can they ignore it if she were to call upon them? No. She could summon them there on most occasions. Batman by all extent and purposes could act like he normally would, but with being Knighted, that personality took a darker twist. For example, he wanted to kill Green Arrow and it's known Batman won't go to such lengths, at least not in that matter, so you could play your character out how they are, but they would serve the person who Knighted them, But you have not done this yet. Right? Right, it hasn't happened yet. The fight from before was just to make him susceptible to it occurring. Okay that's fair enough then. smile This issue is pretty much resolved.
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