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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 9:43 am


I wish to present a case to the Moderators about an Ex crew Member's misconduct who has Taken matters into their own hands to delete posts.

I will begin this thread in stating the following, i never considered once that i were doing any harm, She could have talked to me at any time in a civil way to ask that i edit or remove the offending content.


This morning however i were Presented with this when looking at my Art forum that i had placed and created on June 20th
which was alter the morning of 17/07/2015

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This i feel is completely ridiculous and a raged retaliation and a breach of ruling in itself of rule 6 a-b

6 ~ No Post Editing
Post Editing, is not allowed to happen unless Moderator approved and non-combat related. It's a form of God Modding and carries the same punitive measures.

6 Amendment ~ Deleting Posts
To clarify an apparent loophole that appears in Rule Six about No Post Editing; which is the fact Deleting a Post counts as an edit because it changes what has happened within an RP by removing certain elements. Not only that but it is also poor RP etiquette to Delete Posts. So, this amendment clarifies that Deleting a Post is the same as Editing a Post in terms of severity and punishment.


We had the same bb coding , not the same graphics only bbcode nothing else did i mimic other than the bb coding that i personally struggle with and used as a template to learn from. Had she had a problem with me doing this then i feel that she should of been professional and confronted me in a civilized manner.
I decided then To post to her a kind hearted apology:
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I would also like to point towards
Rule 9 ~ General Respect, Politeness and Cooperation
I hope that we all can get along really well and help each other out. The only thing that I ask of you is a basic level of respect to both the Moderator team and the fellow members. We also ask you to be polite and cooperate with everyone in the guild.


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when i got the response labeling me a crook i took offense and i wrote back, i found her Condescending and rude and not at all diplomatic in what i would have expected of crew status. In this next response i felt upset that it seemed this immediate response she were after from mods for something she could have waited to act on or talked to me about. even a caution was taken in haste rather than brought to discussion.

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But i felt this was unfair to those that have lives outside of gaia. Mods did not answer her till after two hours of her bringing up the issue. this is hardly a fair amount of time before action should have been taken into her own hands. which is why i have raised this thread out of concern. I am not out to cover my tracks. I am not out to harm or take credit from someone else. i made a blooper a small one over the use of bb coding that i used as a template to make my own order form. I In no way wished to offend and i understand i should have used more forethought, but since it had been just over a month i assumed that everything was okay , i thought that what i were doing was a compliment that i was inspired by her and motivated by her presentation.
I had no idea that this small blooper that i made would have caused so much, i did not know that she would close down her shop in retaliation nor that she would resign from being a moderator and i feel i have taken the full slap in the face blame for all of this and to that i am sorry this is my formal open apology to you all i never ever in any shape of the word intended to cause anyone harm.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 12:16 pm


Well, I have to say, that was an interesting read. First of all, I'm going to say that theft is theft, no matter how small it may seem. It may seem small to you, Legion, but to Achi it's a big deal. Hence her reaction of removing the coding from your shop. Now, there are a lot of points about this I want to cover.

First of all, rule six applies to actual roleplay posts. That rule doesn't apply to out of character posts like shops. However, does that make it okay for Achi to edit your shop without your permission? No, it doesn't. But, and pay attention to this part, that doesn't mean it was okay for you to take her coding. We'll come back to that though. For now, rule six doesn't apply here.

Second, you indicated rule nine to call her out for her messages to you, you failed to mention how you called her childish and said she maliciously attacked you. Because you retaliated with name-calling and insults, you have cancelled out rule nine. Neither of you handled this with respect or politeness.

Next, step back for a second, stop thinking of Achi as crew and see her as another member of this guild. A member who you took coding from without asking first. At the core of this whole situation, that's exactly what she is. She's a member who had coding stolen. Unfortunately, she also happened to be a member who could remove the coding.

Now I would like to address this part of the last paragraph of your post, in parts.
Legion Of Oreos
I am not out to harm or take credit from someone else. i made a blooper a small one over the use of bb coding that i used as a template to make my own order form

There were precautions you could have taken to avoid this theft. Firstly, you could have contacted Achi and asked if you could use the code. Failing that, you could have added at the bottom of the code that it was made by Achidanza, so that she had credit for the code you were using.
Also, a blooper is a humorous/embarrassing mistake; this is theft. Not the same thing.

Overall, what you did, whether you thought you were complimenting her or not, you took the code without asking and without crediting her, and that's on you. Action will have to be taken, and I will be discussing it with the mods.

On the other hand, Achi's actions against you were also wrong. She was in the right to be upset about the theft, but she should not have abused her power as a mod to remove the offensive material. That action was not okay, she should have messaged you and told you to take it down, just like you should have messaged her to ask for the code. Her attempt to right a wrong resulted in her acting rashly, and this situation caused her to be demoted.

The fact of the matter is, you both did something wrong, and Achi has already paid for it by sacrificing her mod-ship. Legion, despite her editing your shop, she didn't delete anything but her code from your post. I'm sorry to say, but you are not the victim here, you have stolen from Achidanza and, as I said, action will have to be taken.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 2:56 pm


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I have read your response, and have thought on it, trying to calm down from the emotions that have built up with this incident.

I can see now that what I did was wrong. I did not realise that using the BB code for the style of Achi's order form was plagiarism. I was inspired by it, looked to see how she had done her indenting and mimicked it. I did change the bullet point colour, image and text to the use I needed it for, thinking that I was thus only using the style. As has been stated this was still wrong. I should have asked Achi's permission first, or at the least credited it to her. For this I am sorry, to Achi and the guild as a whole.

I am also sorry that the communications between myself and Achi degenerated the way they did. Both Achi and myself should have reacted better, with the courtesy we should treat each other with. The way it has escalated has made this worse with Achi and myself 'name calling'. For this I am also sorry.

May I ask where in the Hero code/general rules it says the rules relate only to role-play posts? I had assumed the general rules applied to all posts. If this is not the case then this is another mistake I have made, as The Hero Code/General Rules also refers to other codes of conduct I thought apply to general, non RP posts.

I have done wrong, as has been pointed out, and as you state "action must be taken" but please bare in mind this is the first infraction I have made and it was done in ignorance, I did not take her code to maliciously steal it but was impressed by the layout and wished to learn from it and use the same style of indenting. This has caused offence to Achi, and I hope they can forgive me and we can move forward without this incident spoiling the great community here.‏

Again I am very sorry.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:52 pm


I think it's time I weighed in on this and made a judgement. I don't want it to carry on because, well, it's giving me a headache. Y'know? It's like on of this annoying little things where it feels like your thinking in one part of your brain and it keeps jabbing but, in all seriousness, even though I am trying to make light of a situation it needs to stop and it needs to stop NOW.

So, here's Thor's Hammer being put down (and, yes, I know that was a Marvel analogy):

I think that both parties in this could have conducted themselves a lot better than they have. I mean, I understand both points of view very well and even though both parties are my friends I have tried to think about this rather objectively and with as much care to detail as I can. It's hard. It really is and I think my coldness and my somewhat autistic approach to the situation may have ruffled some feathers but hey-ho I can't please everyone.

I think that this whole situation is simply down to a communication error. Legion should have asked Achi to use her coding or whether or not Achi would help her make her own. However, once the problem was discovered Achi should have been a little less... Ummmm... Volatile? I'm not sure if that's the word I want to use but it's the one I'm going with. Achi could have simply posted a "Cease and Desist order" to Legion and just been like "Hey, not comfortable with you using this without my permission." and I think after that, all would have been well and we wouldn't have gotten ourselves into this slanging match now.

Legion shouldn't have used Achi's coding out of courtesy because technically Gaia ToS states that Achi doesn't have trademarks over the coding. They belong to Gaia. However, Achi could have went the extra mile to help Legion instead of being very defensive. Legion didn't mean any harm I don't think but made a bit of a faux pas.

We are "mostly" adults in this guild. I think we can resolve this without being so harsh to one and other.

Also, to clean things up, Achi stepped down from Modship when this was brought up because of a difference in opinion. She should not have edited Legion's store without her asking or contacting her first. Her modship was not taken away as a punishment. We as Mods don't have the right to do that to people whether we think we own something or not. We as Mods are also subject to a fair representation and don't just lose our Modships with a click of our fingers unless something is really, really, really bad.

Rule 8 will also be made a little more lenient in this case. Legion will not be banned from the guild because of this because for a start I don't think it was malicious, she wanted to use Achi as an inspiration and couldn't quite separate herself from her source material. It's like when you accidentally come up for plagiarism on an Essay because you didn't quite work around your source material. But she is culpable and needs to have some sort of price to pay.

As such, I would like to ask Legion to remove her shop from the guild for the foreseeable future until such time is deemed appropriate for it to be reposted. If she wishes to do commissions on a personal basis with PMs and what not that is fine but she cannot use a guild based store.

I am sorry that it had to be this way. Achi's judgement for her conduct must also be rectified and I will come to a fair judgement after discussions with the mod team.

Thank you all for your time.



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:12 am


i Adhere to this Judgement and will start deletion of the shop If i leave anything there it will be because i am unable to remove it because of certain limitations.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 4:29 am


Achidanza

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Legion of Oreos


After thinking for some time about what to do with Achi, I have decided to simply give her an official warning. Hopefully, this will make it so this doesn't happen again. Thank you.

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