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 Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:00 pm
Having cooled down a bit, I decided to PM Zahir (mentioning that if he had PMed me earlier, I didn't get it as the PM system went screwy) and formally request that the GBP be moved to the guilds forum. The following is the transcript of our 4 PMs. After his last one, I felt rather offended and decided to just not discuss the matter with him anymore. But I wonder, did he have a right to treat me the way I was or was he just being an utter a**? Well, I know everyone here is biased but I felt the need to get your opinions on the matter. Anyway.....PMs AHOY! Music-chan to Zahir I honestly have no idea whether or not I got any PMs guarding this matter earlier because the PMs were broke and when they were fixed again, I didn't have anything new in my box. (Despite my having a 'new PM' bubble next to my name for days) At any rate, we have started up a guild for the GBP so I formally request that the original GBP thread is moved out of the Chatterbox and into the Guilds forum. Thank you. Zahir to Music-chan "] Music-chan I honestly have no idea whether or not I got any PMs guarding this matter earlier because the PMs were broke and when they were fixed again, I didn't have anything new in my box. (Despite my having a 'new PM' bubble next to my name for days) At any rate, we have started up a guild for the GBP so I formally request that the original GBP thread is moved out of the Chatterbox and into the Guilds forum. Thank you. Yeah, PMs went nutso a little while back and a whole load of them got lost. Um. Much as this is going to go down like a lead balloon, I still cannot see anything that would qualify the original GBP thread for the Guilds forum. An embittered rant about how unfair it is that GBP got moved from its "rightful home" in GD, rife with overblown sarcasm and self-pity, does not serve to transmogrify the thread into a guild. Sorry. neutral First post on this page should hopefully spell out precisely what is required. 3nodding Music-chan to Zahir Aside from the fact that I was angry and I do have the right to post about it in my own thread, the fact that the people who regularly visited the GBP got together and formed their own guild should show that we stand together as a cohesive unit. The Mortal Kombat thread was moved to Guilds and as a member of that little group, I can safly say that the overall content of that thread was not much different from the overall content of the GBP. If the first post offends you that much, I can change it to something that you would deam less offensive. You cannot argue that the Chatterbox is not exactly a place that will attract people who type in coherent, grammar-correct sentences, which is what I have always encouraged and tried to enforce in the GBP. I don't know where you feel the GBP belongs but it certainly doesn't belong in the Chatterbox. What exactly do I have to do to convince you of this? Zahir to Music-chan It's not a matter of finding the first post offensive or whatever that's keeping me from moving it to the Guilds forum (though I do find it to be more than slightly melodramatic and, as I said before, rife with self-pity, but that's just me). The main and only stumbling point is that as it stands, the thread does not fit within the Guilds forum. Amend it to fit within the Guilds forum, and it can get moved to the Guilds forum. The post I linked to in my previous PM (linked again here for your ease of reference) states as much, in as many words: Zahir To spell it out as clearly as possible: if you can tweak GBP such that it would fit in, say, the Guilds forum, I would be more than happy to move it to the Guilds forum for you. I'm perfectly willing to work with you on this matter, provided you make an effort towards something more productive than simply protesting and stamping your feet about the perceived unfairness of it all. For someone who prides yourself on your language and grammar skills, it would appear that your reading comprehension leaves something to be desired. neutral If you're uncertain as to the requirements of threads in the Guilds forum, please check the Guild Requirements sticky, specifically the second post. 3nodding To make my point clear, I DID read the post he originally linked to. It say nothing about specific guidelines I should follow but it did mention the "whinning and drama" so to speak. Which was why I assumed it was the first post that offended him and was willing to change it. I just did not appreciate that he accused me of not knowing how to READ. The only good thing I got out of this exchange was the link to the Guild guildines, which I didn't need his help for anyway. *shrugs* Anyway, I'm going to a different mod with this issue. I've PMed one of the Guilds moderators and if I don't hear anything soon, I'll PM one of the Chatterbox mods. Hopefully this issue can be resolved. If not, I'll just have to start up a new GBP thread in the guilds forum, for days when the guilds are down.
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:09 pm
Out of all the mods and such the only one I like is Arwen.
Zahir is turning out to be an a**. neutral HATE WARS! lol. Though.. I just think its amazingly unfair how he is treating everything. Ah well. There we go. u__u
Good luck Music.
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:15 pm
Wow, okay. Zahir really doesn't like us. Guild Requirements # Title Rather simple, have a title for your guild. It should reflect the focus of your guild, if it's an RP and if you are accepting members # Aim of the Guild What is your guild, what is it's purpose, what makes it special? In the first post you should have a small introduction that tells people just what your guild is about that what makes it special. # Rules Other then having to abide by the TOS and the rules of the Guild forum, what are the guild's own rules? For example, do you allow bumps, how does someone join your guild, what they should and should not do. # Member list Have a list of the members that have joined your guild, and it is also advisable to list those that are not welcomed in your guild. # Story/Description This does not apply to all guilds, but what is the story of your guild and/or what does it look like? A breif description makes it easier for other members to situate themselves (especially if you have RP). Title- Gratuitous Body Parts, Check Aim- Check, to provide a place for a group of friends to converse Rules- CheckMemberlist- Uh, ******** are we missing? I suggest you PM him giving specific examples of how we fullfill each of these requirements, like I did, but less snarky. In my opinion, Zahir is using is abusing his power. He has an agenda, he wants to make changes, he wants the GD to reflect him. It's not right, he never should have been made a mod. He's condescending to users and refuses to listen.
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:17 pm
Ruby Doe Wow, okay. Zahir really doesn't like us. Guild Requirements # Title Rather simple, have a title for your guild. It should reflect the focus of your guild, if it's an RP and if you are accepting members # Aim of the Guild What is your guild, what is it's purpose, what makes it special? In the first post you should have a small introduction that tells people just what your guild is about that what makes it special. # Rules Other then having to abide by the TOS and the rules of the Guild forum, what are the guild's own rules? For example, do you allow bumps, how does someone join your guild, what they should and should not do. # Member list Have a list of the members that have joined your guild, and it is also advisable to list those that are not welcomed in your guild. # Story/Description This does not apply to all guilds, but what is the story of your guild and/or what does it look like? A breif description makes it easier for other members to situate themselves (especially if you have RP). Title- Gratuitous Body Parts, Check Aim- Check, to provide a place for a group of friends to converse Rules- CheckMemberlist- Uh, ******** are we missing? I suggest you PM him giving specific examples of how we fullfill each of these requirements, like I did, but less snarky. In my opinion, Zahir is using is abusing his power. He has an agenda, he wants to make changes, he wants the GD to reflect him. It's not right, he never should have been made a mod. He's condescending to users and refuses to listen. We're missing requirement #6, rolling over for those who think they have more power.
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:21 pm
Firebird1 We're missing requirement #6, rolling over for those who think they have more power. Fire, that is probably the best thing I've seen you say on here XD
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:28 pm
Keep in mind, when I first PMed Zahir, I still had the original, bitchy rant up on the first post. BUT IT'S MY THREAD! I RESERVE THE RIGHT TO b***h ABOUT THINGS THAT ANNOY ME! scream *cough* Anyway, I digress..... After his first response, I changed the first post with a few lines saying we had formed a guild and linking to the new place. Nothing offensive. Just basically saying that we were a guild and we were going to continue discussion at the link given. Apparently this wasn't enough. After he insulted my ability to read and comprehend, I decided I was through with him and, using the guild guidelines I had found in the guild forum, I re-wrote the first post and submitted my move request to a guild mod. I'll be damned if I'm going to go to the GD mods about this again. The thread is not in GD anymore. It's none of their business....and they don't seem to care anyway. If I don't hear anything from the Guild mod, I'll go to a Chatterbox one. Anyway.....I'm putting in my original rant for the GBP after it was moved..... For, uh, prosterity.... stare GBP rant about the move Due to mod idiocy, the GBP has been moved from it's original home in the GD. It was a place where we wanted people to speak in complete sentences and use proper grammar. It was a place where people could talk together about a variety of different topics without having to start up a new thread, thus increasing the bloat on an already-stuffed GD. It was a place where people had standards and education. So NATURALLY, that means it deserves to go to the chatterbox.
The letters G, B and P stopped really meaning anything a long time ago. They certainly didn't deliniate any specific conversation. It was merely a way to mark the thread for people who knew what was inside. With an ever-changing topic, we let people know that we had something to say....and we welcomed those with the same standards to join us. We never meant to be exclusive; many of us never even wanted to be considered "prominent", a tag many of the REAL Hang Out Threads liked to take to exclude others. We just wanted to be left to quietly talk about whatever was on our minds, but still be allowed to wander back and forth to the other GD threads.
There is a guild now, which of course defeats the entire purpose of the GBP. We've been alienated from the place we used to call home. If you're one of the people who used to frequent this thread, feel free to join us. If you are a fan of coherent discussion and use complete sentences with good grammar, also feel free to join us. We don't exclude because of your "status" on Gaia. But we DO have standards.
Apparently having standards is a bad thing in this place. What a shame.
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:30 pm
Ruby Doe Firebird1 We're missing requirement #6, rolling over for those who think they have more power. Fire, that is probably the best thing I've seen you say on here XD Yeah, I do keep it a little mundane these days.. Lets just say that the last time I was wrapped up in a message board, I went nuts.
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 5:35 am
I utterly loathe Zahir. And Joker Saint (or whatever her name is), too. The only good new mod I've seen is Kyuu.
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 6:18 pm
The GBP thread wasn't moved to Guilds because at the time I was PMed, it didn't fit with the forum requirements. I'd previously stated what was required for it to be moved to Guilds (that is, tailor it to meet the forum requirements), but apparently this was disregarded in favour of the previously-quoted rant, so GBP stayed where it was.
Yes, Music-chan, it's your thread and you can b***h about whatever you want in it, but if you want it moved to Guilds you need to fix it so that it fits in Guilds, rant or no rant.
Azure_Divinity, Eight Ball Soup, Ruby Doe, Firebird1, Music-chan if you don't think I'm measuring up to my responsibilities as a mod, please feel free to PM me and tell me why not. Failing that, PM L0cke and tell him why not. There are other options than just complaining within the cloistered seclusion of your guild or whatnot.
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 7:14 pm
Zahir The GBP thread wasn't moved to Guilds because at the time I was PMed, it didn't fit with the forum requirements. I'd previously stated what was required for it to be moved to Guilds (that is, tailor it to meet the forum requirements), but apparently this was disregarded in favour of the previously-quoted rant, so GBP stayed where it was. Yes, Music-chan, it's your thread and you can b***h about whatever you want in it, but if you want it moved to Guilds you need to fix it so that it fits in Guilds, rant or no rant. Azure_Divinity, Eight Ball Soup, Ruby Doe, Firebird1, Music-chan if you don't think I'm measuring up to my responsibilities as a mod, please feel free to PM me and tell me why not. Failing that, PM L0cke and tell him why not. There are other options than just complaining within the cloistered seclusion of your guild or whatnot. 1) I'm not biting for this. (AKA no flaming) 2) As for moving it into the guilds, I think that it does meet those requirements. And we have proven in this thread how we meet them. Instead of coming here and confronting us like this you should just let us know why you feel that GBP did not make the cut.
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 9:51 pm
Zahir The GBP thread wasn't moved to Guilds because at the time I was PMed, it didn't fit with the forum requirements. I'd previously stated what was required for it to be moved to Guilds (that is, tailor it to meet the forum requirements), but apparently this was disregarded in favour of the previously-quoted rant, so GBP stayed where it was. Yes, Music-chan, it's your thread and you can b***h about whatever you want in it, but if you want it moved to Guilds you need to fix it so that it fits in Guilds, rant or no rant. Azure_Divinity, Eight Ball Soup, Ruby Doe, Firebird1, Music-chan if you don't think I'm measuring up to my responsibilities as a mod, please feel free to PM me and tell me why not. Failing that, PM L0cke and tell him why not. There are other options than just complaining within the cloistered seclusion of your guild or whatnot. I'm aware that challenging a mod is no light task, I don't plan on blundering off and getting myself a warning or a ban. Thanks for keeping tabs on us, though!
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:54 pm
Firebird1 Zahir The GBP thread wasn't moved to Guilds because at the time I was PMed, it didn't fit with the forum requirements. I'd previously stated what was required for it to be moved to Guilds (that is, tailor it to meet the forum requirements), but apparently this was disregarded in favour of the previously-quoted rant, so GBP stayed where it was. Yes, Music-chan, it's your thread and you can b***h about whatever you want in it, but if you want it moved to Guilds you need to fix it so that it fits in Guilds, rant or no rant. Azure_Divinity, Eight Ball Soup, Ruby Doe, Firebird1, Music-chan if you don't think I'm measuring up to my responsibilities as a mod, please feel free to PM me and tell me why not. Failing that, PM L0cke and tell him why not. There are other options than just complaining within the cloistered seclusion of your guild or whatnot. 1) I'm not biting for this. (AKA no flaming) 2) As for moving it into the guilds, I think that it does meet those requirements. And we have proven in this thread how we meet them. Instead of coming here and confronting us like this you should just let us know why you feel that GBP did not make the cut. 1) Cool, thank you. 3nodding 2) This is where my comment about reading comprehension comes into play again.Since the move it seems that I've spent quite some time explaining in as clear a manner as I can. Try reading the first quoted paragraph of this post again. neutral Being able to come together and form a GGN guild, that's cool. However, pointing at your GGN guild and saying "See, we can make a guild!" and demanding that the old thread (which has not been amended to meet the Guilds forum requirements) get moved into Guilds isn't going to work. I say this having checked with a Guilds mod on the matter. Ruby: The only way you'd end up with a ban is if you went on a crusade of abuse, harassment and character assassination. Reasoned feedback or whatever is fine. 3nodding
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Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 7:24 am
I've read the first quoted post, and all the others, and I'm still not impressed. All I've seen you do since you became a mod is dance around issues, simply saying that "it doesn't fit the GD/Guilds," and going no further.
And don't do any of that condescending "reading comprehension" bullshit. You're a mod now. Suck it up and act like one.
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Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 8:32 am
Azure_Divinity I've read the first quoted post, and all the others, and I'm still not impressed. All I've seen you do since you became a mod is dance around issues, simply saying that "it doesn't fit the GD/Guilds," and going no further. And don't do any of that condescending "reading comprehension" bullshit. You're a mod now. Suck it up and act like one. There are certain requirements for a thread to belong in the Guilds forum. To quote this sticky here: Kokoryta Guild RequirementsTaking a cue from the Military and Organization subforum, guilds will now be required to have certain thingsNavigationIntroduction & RulesGuild RequirementsReport SystemSubforumsGGNIn order to reduce the number of spam or abandonded guilds, all guilds will be required to have the following in the first few posts. Otherwise your guild will not be considered an actual guild and will be moved to the Recycle Bin without notice. Title
Rather simple, have a title for your guild. It should reflect the focus of your guild, if it's an RP and if you are accepting members
Aim of the Guild
What is your guild, what is it's purpose, what makes it special? In the first post you should have a small introduction that tells people just what your guild is about that what makes it special.
Rules
Other then having to abide by the TOS and the rules of the Guild forum, what are the guild's own rules? For example, do you allow bumps, how does someone join your guild, what they should and should not do.
Member list
Have a list of the members that have joined your guild, and it is also advisable to list those that are not welcomed in your guild.
Story/Description
This does not apply to all guilds, but what is the story of your guild and/or what does it look like? A breif description makes it easier for other members to situate themselves (especially if you have RP).
Those guilds that do not have these elements will be moved to the Recycle Bin, please updatre your guilds accordingly. These are the rules laid down by the Guilds forum's dedicated mod. It is a list of what is expected of a thread in the Guilds forum. Fact 2: At the time Music-chan PMed me to ask for the GBP thread to be moved to Guilds, it did not comply with any of the rules I just quoted. Had I moved GBP to the Guilds forum as asked, then as stated in the Guild Requirements sticky, it would have been found not to comply with the Guilds forum requirements, and would have been moved to the Recycle Bin. It's not a matter of me having a hate-on for GBP or whatever, for all that the attitude displayed by some members might not endear them to me. It's that despite my having stated on more than one occasion what was required to get the thread moved to Guilds, no steps were taken to get the GBP thread to comply with these requirements. This failure implies either some degree of inadequacy in terms of reading comprehension, or some degree of stubborn petulance with regard to disregarding what I have been trying to tell people for some time now. Or can you offer some alternative explanation for how, despite my repeated statements that to get moved to the Guilds forum the GBP thread needs to meet that forum's requirements, those requirements were not met?
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Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:49 am
1) Title_ GBP Gratuitous Body Parts 2) Aim_ Gathering place for friends 3) Rules_ Found Here4) Member list_ I agree with Music, I don't want to confine us to a set group of users, and we don't want to ban anyone. But I would think the list of users who have formally joined this GGN Guild would suffice. 5) Story/Descriptions_ Not Applicable Is the fact that our thread is dedicated to talking a problem? If that's the case, I see no reason why La Playa, El Barco, or MK deserve to be in the guilds forum, either.
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