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Shin Seiki

PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 1:39 pm


Well, since we had the majority of the Otome discussion through the HiME season two thread, I think this deserves it's own thread now.

Once more, beware of spoilers. If you want to watch the show legitimately and with some surprise, I suggest getting out now.


As most of you might've already known (otherwise you wouldn't be looking here), Otome ended roughly 1 week ago in a 1 hour special. Doremi got ahead of themselves by releasing the 2nd half a few days after the first, but I think SS will release it as one collection.

So, your thoughts?


I had plenty to go with. First off, as expected, there was absolutely no time for explanation. I knew ever since the Harmonium was quickly introduced and hardly spoken of, it would be an issue left to the manga, which I will probably never read now.

With that, I can safely say that the whole Valkyrie system and how the body of Rena Sayers (sp?) was also left to assumption. I mean, it's not like any of this was confusing, but really, any explanation longer than 30 secs would've been fine.

Ok, scientific concepts aside, I was mostly disappointed by the horrendous lack of closure to literally all of the characters. Why did Akira and Takumi even show up? What is the basis of Chie and Aoi's relationship? Who drove Mai into the Black Valley in the first place? Does Midori ever recover from her disease? Even characters and couples that got attention got no closure afterwards, such as Akane and Kazu. Nothing left for the viewers, just more speculation.

And here is the one thing that pissed me off more than anything: Nagi was responsible for the deaths of thousands, usurping several countries or forcing them into submission by sheer omnipotent violence, and threatening the political and spiritual stability of the world. So, what do they do to him? They freaking put him in a jail doing minor labor with Nao as the warden? That's really pathetic.

In a realistic sense, Nagi would've been executed, no question. He was a bloodthirsty dictator with absolutely no remorse for his actions and they put him away like a petty criminal. I hope people don't actually learn anything from this example, especially since Erstin is the only one who died. And thank the heavens she stayed dead. She represented the idosyncratic nature of idealistic values, by promoting peace in the dissolution of power. Die little girl, because you don't know a damn thing.


Ok, maybe I'm a little too bitter, but yeah, this show was pretty much a void in my time. If HiME was not at all involved, I would've never even considered the first fansub, but since we had some good discussions, I felt it might've been time worth spent afterall. Somehow, though, this show was doomed from the beginning.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:37 am


I wouldn't call it a waste of time just more like fanservice fluff to cash in on HiME's success, if even that. I just think no one was expecting it to be this fluffy piece of unresolved nothing so it was even more disappointing. I had held out hope that the show cold have been saved but in the end Seiki was right.
As you said there were FAR too many holes for my taste. If they had at least tried to resolve some of the character issues it could have been excusable but no.
As for the characters:
Irina: I have a lot of respect for her, she was a minor character but right from the beginning of the take over she did all she could do to help. He formed a resistance movement and actually got the system to work so that Natsuki could activate her robe. She didn't sit around having an emotional breakdown or act selfishly. And what does she get in the end???? Nothing, not even a screen shot in the ending

Akira and Takumi:I agree no real purpose but just to show up.

Tomoe:I have to admit the whole baby bottle and the pacifier thing was a bit weird. I guess she's into infantilism
But all the weird fetishes aside, she was completely illogical. She loved the Shiz, Okay who wouldn't and she went crazy for her, okay a little bit off but fine for the whole villain role. But I don't see why she hated Arika and the others so much; I would think it would be Natsuki.
She also didn't get punished for her actions either; she should have died after that fall. But in the end she's in stretcher with out a scratch on her yelling at people, how does that work??? She didn't seem to be punished either.
She also committed plenty offenses even before she joined Nagi.

Shizuru/Natsuki:Shizuru sleeps with Tomoe and goes through all that inner turmoil and disgust and Natsuki misses Shizuru and sense something's wrong but when they get back to each other all we get is a "Hi, how are you".

Chie and Aoi:I agree with you, no closure and it pisses me off.

Akane and KazuI thought it was funny when Kazu was dragged off before they could do the nasty. But again that's all we get
But I guess it shows that shirking your responsibilities to run off and have sex in a closet is wrong and you will be punished xd

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:51 am


But at least the great cycle is complete......
Mashiro is back in her wheelchair and is acting like she has a brain again. I told you blaugh whee
PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:05 am


All I can say is that the shiznat in this series at the end did make me ticked off. "lawl, sup?" "Nm u?" "Notalot" "ah, rad"

Dahl


Shin Seiki

PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:35 am


Yeah, eggy, too many pointless introductions and no closures for characters that somewhat mattered. Midori, Nao, Haruka, etc. got nothing afterwards, although Midori's lack of closure is the one I was most upset about. Btw, anyone see that plot twist of her becoming "good" from a mile away? Sheesh, that's what happens when you use a protagonist from the first series and put them in a seemingly antagonistic role.

Yeah, Tomoe really didn't matter to me. Everything she said was like a joke, so it was fun to watch her. I'm not going to try to find any meaning in her actions or her feelings.

Eggy, I really want to know, do you agree about Nagi's situation? I mean, is that the worst they can do to a mass murderer, moreover one who doesn't seem to care about what he did? Maybe if they animated people being crushed by Nina's death tornado, or him gunning down a crowd to take over Windbloom, people would begin to question why his punishment was beyond lenient.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:35 am


Maybe it's because the whole time he was sitting back on his throne playing the nonchalant violence "for the greater good" act. He never wigged out and acted like a blood thirsty killer, he acted very matter of fact and "this is just the way things HAVE too be and I have no control over it"; but under the radar he was really leading to something more menacing. Everything he did was under the radar; he never dirtied his own hands. He asked other masters to do it and those other masters asked their Otome, and the bad masters weren't punished either. Their Otome may have repented but they never did. He's like Charles Manson but less crazy, he can always say "but I never killed anyone, and I thought I was doing the right thing, empowering the people and all".
And again this was just fluff, Nagi get's a slap on the wrist the same way Shizuru did though he is much less deserving. I don't agree with the writer's decision but I think that would have been too logical for a illogical "holely" show.

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DarrkElf

PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 1:56 am


I must say a rather disappointing ending to the series, and definitely way too many loose ends that just never got addressed sad

The development of Mashiro as a character was promising, but the rest fell sadly flat.

I luuuurrrrvvvv Shizuru, but I gotta say, her as a psycho in the first series was far better written than the fluffy role in Mai-Otome.

Ernstine deserved more screentime and could have been used far better.

WHERE WAS THE ANGST?!

The only character that was remotely interesting was Mashiro, and that part of the storyline looked like it had been stolen from Rose of Versailles (based on the Queen and the French Revolution).

Overall this season had a good soundtrack and animation, but just lacked the story line. With so many of these powerful otome around, how come they spent so little time actually fighting?

It had the feeling of a 40 ep series that had been crammed into 26 eps leaving scenes that didn't really link in all that well with the story line.

I think I would have been better off just sticking with the first series.

I reckon i'd give this series about 5/10 - to watch only if you run out of good anime.
PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:12 pm


Heh, wow, Darrk, you're generous with that 5/10. I would give no higher than a 3 with the hideous amount of screwing around in the beginning and all of the other snowballing factors I added in. The only reason to see this thing is if you've seen HiME and want more of that universe.

Eggy, it really doesn't matter if Nagi didn't dirty his own hands. I can easily compare him to Hitler, although their personailities are a bit different. Hitler himself didn't gas or shoot all of those Jews, but for all we know, he's even more responsible than the people who actually did it. Nagi was a murderer, a mass one at that, who really didn't regret a thing he did.

I mean, people get mad at Shizuru in HiME for wasting 1 organization. Yeah, it was bad, but Nagi in Otome forcefully took over a city and annihilated countries with a weapon of mass destruction. Honestly, a slap on the wrist here is completely unforgivable in retrospect, as it was for Shizuru back then.

So, yes, by being coniving and manipulative, he was just as stained in blood as the Otome and masters that he strung along. In fact, his sociopathic nature actually bothers me even more. He knew people were suffering and dying under his actions and still sat smug on that throne. That's really demented to me.

Shin Seiki


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 8:42 am


I suppose it just adds to the nonsensicalness of the show. No one was killed for their actions except Onyx and Erstin. Aoi's whole sacrifice was debunked because she lived. I mean the ending reminded me of a children's show, happy ending with the bad guys in jail or back to their old comedic selves. Tomoe was forgiven but since nagi was the evil leader he has to bang rocks in prison so we can laugh at him.
I don't think they would show him being executed and maybe it doesn't seem like hard time because he was out side. But doesn't mean that it wasn't. Both onyx and Erstin bloody their hands and they died for it, Nagi didn't so he gets life
Tomoe seemed to get a slap on the wrist but Nagi WAS doing time, just because he's being Nagi and can fool around doesn't mean his sentence was light.
PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2006 10:40 am


so did nina loose her memory to and akane get with that boy?

hotaru74


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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2006 7:18 pm


hotaru74
so did nina loose her memory to and akane get with that boy?
No, Taters did and Nina whisked him off to a cabin in the woods so they could start over and live happily ever after like nothing ever happened.
Akane was about to do the nasty but she arrested and drafted to fight Nagi
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