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Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 1:01 pm
Okay hello one and all!!! I would like to ask a question to everybody. Here is my question:
I know that Sora is the keyblade master. Now what is the definition of master? Well from my opinion a master is someone who completely knows about something, but there can only be one, one that goes above all else. Now everyone says that Sora is the keyblade master. But how can he be the keyblade master when mickey is the keyblade master. Mickey knows more than sora, and wields it better than him. Mickey was the first master until sora came. Did sora take the name? Or are both keyblade masters? Now lets not leave riku out. Riku was supposed to be the original keyblade master, but the same thing, mickey was already the keyblade master. Sora took the honor instead of Riku because Riku accepted the darkness. This does not mean Riku is evil, it only means he cannot weild the keyblade. So basically my question is, how can sora, riku, and mickey all be keyblade masters? As my definition of being a master, this question remains unanswered. What do you think?
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Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 6:45 pm
you can't forget kairi, she weilded the keyblade near the end of the second game as well, and then we have the special vidio, whats up with that? lol *crosses fingers and hopes for KHIII*
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Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 9:17 pm
CrimsonPrince101 you can't forget kairi, she weilded the keyblade near the end of the second game as well, and then we have the special vidio, whats up with that? lol *crosses fingers and hopes for KHIII* Actually kairi is not a keyblade master. She was able to use a keyblade but riku gave it to her. She's not really qualified (in my opinion) as a keyblade master. And there is going to be a third KH, but I heard that it won't have to do with the other three KH. We will see, but my question remains unanswered.
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Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 1:35 pm
Well by master, Square and Disney meant like they owned it. Like: 'I am the master of my domain!'. That's what I think they meant. Also, I wouldn't think Kairi is a Keblade Master just because she used it.
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Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:59 pm
The way I see it, the keyblade goes to whoever has the strongest heart. It began with Mickey...for obvious reasons...but his version was inverted from the Kingdom Key we've come to know. Riku was next in line to recieve it, but as you said, he turned to darkness. So the keyblade then fell into Sora's hands (obviously, Roxas can wield it because of who he is, so we won't discuss that). But as far as I remember, the only person who reffered to the title as "Keyblade Master" was Riku in the first game, when he said, "Only the keyblade master can open the secret door, and change the world." Everyone else used the term Keybearer. And I agree that Kairi can't really be considered a Keybearer. She had it for, what, ten seconds?
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Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 2:07 pm
You Seem To Miss The Point I Think Kairi Is A Key Blade Master Aswell Because If She Held That Keyblade And Fought With It That Makes Her A Keyblade Master But If They Keyblade RETURNED To Riku Then She Wouldnt Be A Keyblade Master Also The Keyblade Didn't Fall To Sora Just Because Riku Went Into The Darkness >_> Lets Not Forget The Beggining Of The Game Where Sora Was in That Strange Place Choosing Either Sword Shield Or Wand Hence He Was Getting Ready To Be Key Master And Riku Wanst In The Darkness At That Time Later On Riku Also Gets A Keyblade And Fights With It >_>
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Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 2:44 pm
Once again, that term...Keyblade Master...it's inappropriate. Like I said, only Riku called it that. And that was because he felt that he was more worthy than Sora because it was meant for him, and because he felt his heart was stronger. And technically, Riku was already in darkness before that. At least the way I see it. He was willing to do anything he could to get off that island. As Ansem said, "He sought a way to cross over into other worlds, and he opened his heart to darkness." That doesn't have to mean he needs to be completely submerged in darkness, but he opened his heart to it. And once that happened, the keyblade deemed Riku unworthy, and turned to Sora. And as we all know, they were working on that raft before the time when the game starts. So Riku must have opened his heart to darkness before Sora ever entered that strange place. As for Kairi, I disagree. Like I said, the keyblade goes to those with the strongest and purest hearts. So of course it wouldn't deny Kairi; she's one of the princesses of heart. Does that mean the other six princesses could hold a keyblade? I don't know. And I doubt I, or anyone else, ever will. I still don't consider her a Keybearer because she only used it for ten seconds. I consider Riku a keybearer because that's who he was supposed to be, and ended up being. And I consider Sora a keybearer because he was the one who went through two game with it. The same applies to Mickey. But a ten-second usage...I'm sorry, no. If a burglar were to break into your house, you picking up a katana and killing him would not make you a samurai.
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Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 4:04 pm
>_> once again i say how do u know the keyblade chose riku at that time to be the keyblade master on that island when he went to the darkness hmm? >_> or maybe becasue oh i dunno sora is the original keyblade master not riku anyways riku had a keyblade when he was in the darkness too think back to when he talked about keyblade that opens peoples hearts >_> and if u want to be in denial with the kairi being a keybearer thing then w/e play kh3 when its out and well see cause remember she said from now on well all be together hmm could this mean that riku and kairi will be in kh3 party who knows
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Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 4:29 pm
Okay, you did it. My KH Fanboy blood is boiling. Prepare yourself, mortal. *deep breath* To begin, of course it chose Riku first. Wikipedia, the game packet inside the game case, every source imaginable have confirmed that Riku is the original keybearer, so your first two points are of no significance. Secondly, he got that keyblade from the captive hearts of all of the princesses of heart except Kairi's, which - correct me if I'm wrong - sounds fairly dark. And remember Ansem said that Sora's heart was stronger "for that instant", and that was why he regained the keyblade. But when Riku merged with Ansem and became stronger, the combination of stength and darkness of his heart created that keyblade. And since he was still the original keybearer, he couldn't be denied it. Second point = pointless. And lastly, you shouldn't argue about a game that has only been hinted at by the creator, but if you must, then you might as well know that the only hints Tetsuya Nomura has made at KHIII imply that it will be along a different timeline, which means it's more than likely that Sora, Riku, and Kairi will play very little role in it if they're in it at all. But since it isn't OUT YET, your argument is null and void. DeadJib: 3 The Legendary Destroyer: 0!YOU LOSE! GOOD DAY SIR!
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Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:57 pm
firstly this aint a battle 2nd ur not even answering ur saying things like wikipedia says this and that and some of what i say is of no significance and pointless so ur not really answering or is it because u dont have an answer to prove urself right? and soras heart was stronger for that instant but if thats true then why riku didn't take back the keyblade later or w/e btw when they forged if he was truly strong enough to make a keyblade then he coulda taken soras and used it against him while he laid there defenseless and dont say he was the original keybearer so he cant be denied it unless he really is wich is not said in the game >_> and just because the trailer shows 3 people in armor or w/e dont mean sora cant be 1 of them they coulda change the characters looks again besides it doesn't necesarily have to be from a defferent timeline thats probably a flash back scene or a keyblade war breaks out in the middle of the story who knows
Btw if u wanna truly discuss the matter u should really answer instead of saying pointless or of no significance >_> and whats with the prepare urself mortal thing and the you lose? im just discussing the topic with ya no offense
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Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 6:07 pm
ok you 2 carm down you dont need to goon now both of you stop this pointless argument or i will ban you both
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Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 6:11 pm
did i really seem like i was arguing i was just discussing the topic rofl
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Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 6:17 pm
Ether way you only need to ancer the question that was asked by OneWingedAngel55 and not add on to it every one has there own point of few people do not need to tell other people what they belive is right
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Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 6:36 pm
My KH Fanboyness just felt that some KH-Fact justice was needed. sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 8:22 pm
Very nice arguments. Hmmm I would have to take Melodious Nocturne's thought about it. Well as I mentioned before my definition of master is that only one may be above them all right? Well originally they called both mickey and sora keyblade masters as well as partially riku. Well you said that in the game they say only the keyblade master can open the door. Well technically your wrong, in the game they actually said that "you are the one who will open the door" meaning that he wasn't called the keyblade master. But you did put up a nice argument, somehow it still feels like it's unanswered, but you helped me understand more. I can say something else, but I'm too lazy right now xd (Oh and I don't mean to start a fight, if I'm really wrong about what I'm saying, then I apologize in advance)
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