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Dragonmun

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 9:28 pm


I've been attending conventions as a guest, an exhibitor, and a coordinator for a good number of years now, and I've noticed that quite often people get caught up in the con atmosphere and do not read the convention guides.

I can't say that I blame them, but the convention guides really do hold a bunch of information that can seriously help them out.

In turn though, the convention guides also leave out a bunch of stuff that are really more on an attendee's level.

This thread is kind of my own personal convention guide. Derived from other guides as well as my own personal experience.

As a nod toward my credential for such a post: I actually helped write some of the rules for the JACON convention guide, which has in turn become a sort of standard for the other Florida conventions. I won't take to much credit with that as it's mostly the art section and is prone to change since, as of this year, I am no longer that club/con's art coordinator.

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This thread is devided up into 4 basic categories:

  • Official Con-Guide stuff � Stuff normally found in Florida convention guides.
  • STUFF NOT NORMALLY PUBLISHED � Things usually found in conguides, but should be kept in mind to allow the maximum amount of con enjoyment.
  • PROBLEM CHILDREN - Small list of people that tend to get other people into trouble.
  • GOOD THINGS IN CON GUIDES � A short list of reasons why you should take a moment to read a conguide.

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Everything in this thread is up for discussion, but I don't feel that I should be the only person answering questions. This is a discussion thread, so others can answer as well.

If you have a suggestion for the thread, please feel free to post it as a reply, but if you could also PM it to me (since thread subscription is down) that would be greatly appreciated.

There is also a WAY MORE DETAILED thread on the same subject Here.

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Update: 3-24-05
Removed BPF from Problem Children list as I have been assured that they are not involved with the incidents that they have been accused of.

Update 3-22-05
*Edited Problem Children section to be sequential in order from most problematic to the least.
* Added some detail into the BPF listing under Problem Children.

Update 3-15-05
Kiss got happy and added in some stuff to the rave guide, since it's very important stuff. May make a seperate thread dedicated to the discussion of raves/concerts etc at cons. >.>

Update 3-14-05
*Added "moshing" to the Stuff Not Normally Published.
* Added Shoujo-jojo to the Problem Children.
PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 9:29 pm



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OFFICIAL CON-GUIDE STUFF
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Public Etiquette

Conventions give us a chance to act in public like we've never acted before (except at other conventions), but it does not give us the right to be complete dumb-asses. Remember you ARE in public.

You SHOULD NOT be running, shoving, throwing things, hitting people with things, performing sexual acts, or become nude in a public place.

I understand that some of that is impossible, so make sure that there is absolutely NO consequence when you do whatever it is you do.

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Bathing/Showering
You're human. You stink.

Make sure that you guys shower or at the very least use deodorant between hours of the con. It's not that hard to do if you're staying in a room... anywhere.

It's hot in Florida and sadly we are infamous for our smelly cons. Please don't contribute to that.

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Weapons

NO GUNS!
Real guns are not allowed at ANY convention. At all.

Fake ones are okay, but they must have something that marks them as such.

Other weapons, like swords, must have a scabbard or sheath, and MUST be peace tied at all times with the exception of photo shoots. After said photo shoots, they must be peace tied again.

*At most conventions, peace ties can be issued by the security staff.

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Theater/Viewing Room Etiquette

When you are in the theaters/viewing rooms turn off your cellphones and keep your talking to a minimum.

These rooms are not host (usually) to an MST3K event and staff members (like I was) are prone to throwing you out if you become a disturbance.

Also, sleeping overnight is not permitted in these rooms. This is largely because the equipment is expensive and the rooms will be locked. The only exception is if it is an overnight room... but even then sleepers still get kicked out.

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Artist Alley

1.) All artwork for sale must be original to the artist selling it. Fan art of characters drawn in an original pose is fine, but a recreations of a commercial image (like an artbook image, frame of the show, page of manga, ect.) are not.

People caught selling such recreations can not only get kicked out of a convention, but also may land a hefty fine (hundreds of dollars) from the distributor's secret shoppers… who are there to make sure that bootlegs of their products are not being sold.

2.) Music, if any, must be kept at a non-offensive level.

A non-offensive level still allows people to talk to each other without having to elevate their voices.

(Shoujo-jojo's godforsaken playlist IS the definition of an OFFENSIVE level. He couldn't control it amongst other things and thus is banned from MegaCon, Jacon, and FitCon).

3.) Pornographic/adult materials must not be readily displayed on the tables, but can be sold at the conventions in a book behind the table that people must request to flip through is perfect.

4.) "Tables" are actually most often only half a table. Artists who purchased only one "table" must share their space with whomever purchased the other half.

5.) Non-paying artists MUST move when the artist that paid for that spot shows up.

*JACON's artist alley rules are by far more extensive than those of other local conventions. Please be sure to read and obey these rules before you set up! (click here to read them)

Dragonmun


Dragonmun

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 9:30 pm


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 9:31 pm



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PROBLEM CHILDREN
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This is a list of small, unofficial organizations or individuals that have caused problems for conventions in the past.

1.) Shoujo-jojo
A lone individual who tends to get banned from conventions for instigating others to be disruptive. He also tends to play non-family-friendly/immature shows at his computer for all to see, which does get the people involved in trouble (he also sleeps under his Arist alley table which annoys me because I ******** pay for my room.)
- Banned from MegaCon, JACON, Fitcon, AWA, and supposedly AFO.
- Is suspect of stealing other peoples artwork and merchandise from their tables.

2.) OtakuRiot
- A forums based thing mostly, but they have been known to instigate very dangerous and reckless behavior at conventions. It is believed that they were involved in the trashcan fires that almost had JACON 2004 shut down on Saturday.


* These organizations are there to promote their comics/artwork, and can be well-behaved. However, let's just say that they have earned a bad reputation for themselves over time though.

Like with around anyone else, remember to keep your common sense when around these people.

Dragonmun


Dragonmun

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 9:33 pm



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GOOD THINGS IN CON GUIDES
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A simple list of reason why you SHOULD read the convention guides.

  • Schedule - Find out when something's gonna happen!
  • Map - Find out where it is!
  • Coupons - Very rare, but sometimes they're there.
  • People - Find out who the guests are without acutally asking them (makes you seem smarter).
  • Rules - In case you forget
  • Weird s**t - Each con guide has it's own flavor. Check it out!
PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 5:57 am


YAY~! *Love for you~!*

Sie


Dragonmun

PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 9:02 am


Sie
YAY~! *Love for you~!*


That's cute ;p

Anything that you think I missed?
=Oo=
PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 8:10 pm


I should've asked before adding all that stuff, but I'm too tired now to go back and remove it [after copying to email to send to you or sommat.]

I also did very basic editing [namely fixing a few typos.]

Hope you dun mind too much.. If so well then uh.. Remind me to let you burn something of mine soon. sweatdrop

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Kiss in Digital
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Dragonmun

PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 11:13 pm


Kiss in Digital
I should've asked before adding all that stuff, but I'm too tired now to go back and remove it [after copying to email to send to you or sommat.]

I also did very basic editing [namely fixing a few typos.]

Hope you dun mind too much.. If so well then uh.. Remind me to let you burn something of mine soon. sweatdrop

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I don't mind it really... It's just that it's a little odd to share complete control over my posts with someone. In the future I would like it muchly if I'm sent the content first, so I can update it myself.

Doing things that way would also allow me to know exactly what is in the "con guide" in case anyone has questions. Otherwise I have no notification of the updates.
=^_^;=
PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 2:11 pm


I'm a little confused about the B.P.F.'s appearance on the problem child list. May I ask for some examples of what you mean by "damaging the work of other artists" and "traumatic stuff", because you have examples for the other two (starting a fire, stealing of artwork) but really it doesn't seem that the B.P.F. has any examples of behavior that would put them on a list with Shoujo-jojo. x.x

Ameria Wil Tesla Seiruun


TheGreenMuraki

PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 5:13 pm


i hear the bpf sacrifices babies and con virgins to appease their stupid yaoi gods
PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 1:44 am


TheGreenMuraki
i hear the bpf sacrifices babies and con virgins to appease their stupid yaoi gods


lol! XD good one! *high 5s*

now, i'm gonna have to go w/ Ameria on this one... every time I see them at cons, they've NEVER caused any problems. Hell, their Twister game is now infamous and ppl keep talking about how they can't wait for it. But I've never heard of them or seen them peer pressuring or damaging art seeing as it is they display their own art as well.

I'd like to see the evidence of this, if you have any b/c so far out of all your "problem children" you have no examples of events for the BPF.

Also, I think it might be a bit more polite to contact the BPF themselves before posting stuff like that.

just this little noob's 2-cents worth ^_^ not meant to sound like a flame or anything

Chibaka02


Kiss in Digital
Captain

PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 8:58 am


If life were a little less hectic for Dragonmun I'd let her answer this herself. I'm not certain about documented proof of such events but seeing as how she's been on JACON staff forever [seriously, I believe this is the first year she's going as a regular attendee] I do not disbelieve these events occured.

Granted, being a close friend of hers I may be biased, but in the six years I've known her, I've NEVER once heard her say anything damaging about someone unless it was true.

I agree that we ought to have some form of evidence, but the ability to gather such for an online forum isn't as easy as say a court trial. Especially since the con is only a few weeks away and her time is extremely valuable right now.

In other words give us some time to find proof of some sort.

Also please understand the nature of the "problem child list" is not to point fingers or say "OMGTHESEPEEPLEWILGETUNTRUBLE" or some such. Rather, it is more of a warning of what you may be getting self into should you get mixed up with them.

Except for Shoujo Jojo. Steer clear of that lying ********. [pardon me.]
PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 11:42 am


Ameria Seiruun
I'm a little confused about the B.P.F.'s appearance on the problem child list. May I ask for some examples of what you mean by "damaging the work of other artists" and "traumatic stuff", because you have examples for the other two (starting a fire, stealing of artwork) but really it doesn't seem that the B.P.F. has any examples of behavior that would put them on a list with Shoujo-jojo. x.x


Chibaka02

lol! XD good one! *high 5s*

now, i'm gonna have to go w/ Ameria on this one... every time I see them at cons, they've NEVER caused any problems. Hell, their Twister game is now infamous and ppl keep talking about how they can't wait for it. But I've never heard of them or seen them peer pressuring or damaging art seeing as it is they display their own art as well.

I'd like to see the evidence of this, if you have any b/c so far out of all your "problem children" you have no examples of events for the BPF.

Also, I think it might be a bit more polite to contact the BPF themselves before posting stuff like that.

just this little noob's 2-cents worth ^_^ not meant to sound like a flame or anything



My experience with the BPF comes from getting calls over the secutiry radio to make sure that they're not doing something that's against the conventions rules... And I got a lot of calls.

The problem with this group is that I don't think the girls in charge of the thing are being troublesome, but rather some of their fans/members.

People at tables located next to theirs would often call in saying that the girls were jumping on their tables, setting their stuff on their artwork (thus scratching and bending prints for sale), scaring off their customers, and panhandling "for their cause" whenever possible.

I have only witnessed one account of the hazing thing, which was a late-night thing at AFO 2002, in which new members had to make out with another member of their same gender. They made a few people very upset with that one.

Dragonmun


Ameria Wil Tesla Seiruun

PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 3:42 pm


Hm..I never saw or heard of this make out initiation, and I was one of the first members. Are you sure these were the same people? The only thing I've seen B.P.F. members do from your list was some ocassional tongue-in-cheek donation-gathering, but there are tons of people who do that at cons and the B.P.F. never nags people about it. Now jumping on tables and messing up artwork I've definitely never seen or heard of, though I'd be glad to ask about it and make sure group members are aware. ^_^
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