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StrawberryGumiho

PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2006 7:41 am


Ok, please do us all a favor and IGNORE the other two Wiccan Tradition posts. They're inaccurate. A good portion of those listed should *NOT* be listed as a Wiccan Tradition. So, lets look at the real deals.

Keep in mind for it to be a valid BTW (British Traditional Wicca) or ATW (American Traditional Wicca) tradition it has to have lineage among other things.

Otherwise, its whats known as an "American Ecclectic" which is not an actual Tradition of Wicca but rather an evolution OUTSIDE of the religion that is using a misnomer. These AE groups dont have lineage, the inner court teachings or the mysteries.

I will continue to update this list with descriptions and what not. But for now I'll just put the list.

Ok, here we go:

BTW/ATW


Gardnerian: (Roughly 1953) The FIRST Tradition of Wicca. All other Traditions have this as its original root. When Wicca first began, THIS is what it was. Its original form as created by Gerald B. Gardner.

Alexandrian: The SECOND Tradition of Wicca. Sanders was the first to hive off and create his own Tradition. However, its pretty similar to Gardnerian.

Minoan Triad: (199 cool Three seperate traditions in one. The Minoan Brotherhood, Minoan Sisterhood and Cult of Rhae.

Starkindler line: (forming a trad?)

Algard: A Tradition created from a mix of Alexandrian and Gardnerian influences by Mary Nesnick who was initiated into both.

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Less Traditional, though lineaged:


Aquarian Tabernacle Church : (1979) By Pierre "Pete Pathfinder" Davis.

Faerie Wicca: (suprisingly, it is lineaged.) By Victor Anderson.

Reclaiming: (1980s) Starhawk

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Traditions of unsure lineage

Traditions I'm looking for more info on. (to see if they are AE or BTW/ATW)

Circle Wicca

Covenant of the Goddess : (I think this is more along the lines of an organization than a Tradition.)

Kemetic/Tamarin Wicca

Celtic Wicca

Central Valley Wicca (CVW)

Oddysean Wicca: (1979) Richard and Tamara James

American Tradition of the Goddess


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AE / Non-Wiccan groups:


Correllian : Despite their claims, this is not Wicca. Even their suppossed historical claims of origin make this very clear. Witchcraft perhaps, but not Wicca.

Sacred Wheel:

Georgian: (1970) By George E. Patterson.

Blue Star Wicca

Solitary : This is not a tradition, its a state of practice. A solitary Wiccan is an initiate who has left coven practice. A Solitary Dedicant/seeker is a non-initiate learning on their own.

McFarland Dianic / Old Dianic: Though lineaged, this tradition no longer identifies as Wiccan. (1970s) by Morgan McFarland and Mark Roberts.

Dianic : By Z. Budapest. NOT THE SAME AS McFarland.

Lycian: (1985)

Dynion Mwyn: Not Wiccan. Witchcraft cult. No lineage, claims to be pre-gardnerian Wicca. Not possible.

Y Tylwyth Teg: Not Wiccan. Witchcraft cult. No lineage, claims to be pre-Gardnerian Wicca. Not possible. Also well known *frauds* and plagiarist.
PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2006 3:11 pm


Another lineaged trad (or at least set of covens) I've come across is the StarKindler Line ( http://www.starkindler.org/index.html )

Another I found was Central Valley Wicca (CVW), though I don't remember where I heard it so it'd need investegating.

Georgian isn't a lineaged trad and doesn't hold the mysteries, from what I've read on the net. Aparently they're only BTW influenced.

From what I remember on Blue Star, they are not a lineaged tradition. I'd have to look it up again to be sure though.

I'm basing this post on memory alone though so it may need researching to be sure.
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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2006 12:07 am


I heart you ladies for doing this. ^_^
PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2006 8:52 am


Phoenixfire Lune Soleil
Another lineaged trad (or at least set of covens) I've come across is the StarKindler Line ( http://www.starkindler.org/index.html )

Another I found was Central Valley Wicca (CVW), though I don't remember where I heard it so it'd need investegating.

Georgian isn't a lineaged trad and doesn't hold the mysteries, from what I've read on the net. Aparently they're only BTW influenced.

From what I remember on Blue Star, they are not a lineaged tradition. I'd have to look it up again to be sure though.

I'm basing this post on memory alone though so it may need researching to be sure.
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I'd completely forgotten about Starkindler. Thanks for reminding me.

And your right about Georgian and Blue Star. And I'll look into CVW.

Thanks, Phoenixfire. If you think of anything else, please let me know.

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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2006 8:55 am


Pac
I heart you ladies for doing this. ^_^


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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2006 3:24 pm


Glad I could help, will do! 4laugh

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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 9:15 am


Updated.
PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 7:32 pm


I also know of another tradition call Lycian: There's a web page here. I don't know all that much about it and It's history, though I was friends with someone who followed this tradition.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 3:51 pm


wow thanks i really am learning a lot
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 6:45 pm


okay, okay, I'm having a really bug mental roadblock here.
Quote:
Gardnerian: (Roughly 1953) The FIRST Tradition of Wicca. All other Traditions have this as its original root. When Wicca first began, THIS is what it was. Its original form as created by Gerald B. Gardner.


BULL.
SH*T.

Wicca has been around since the very earliest tribes on this planet. Wicca did not start in the mid 1900's, it started when this world started. sure, it kinda.. took a break when the Christians ran through Europe and killed off anyone they thought was a witch, and maybe this is the origin of the second age of witchcraft, but that is NOT the root of all tradition.

What you two have called "unsure liniage" is a lot more authentic than what someone comes up with millenia later.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 6:46 am


Jenny Colt
okay, okay, I'm having a really bug mental roadblock here.
Quote:
Gardnerian: (Roughly 1953) The FIRST Tradition of Wicca. All other Traditions have this as its original root. When Wicca first began, THIS is what it was. Its original form as created by Gerald B. Gardner.


BULL.
SH*T.

Wicca has been around since the very earliest tribes on this planet. Wicca did not start in the mid 1900's, it started when this world started. sure, it kinda.. took a break when the Christians ran through Europe and killed off anyone they thought was a witch, and maybe this is the origin of the second age of witchcraft, but that is NOT the root of all tradition.

What you two have called "unsure liniage" is a lot more authentic than what someone comes up with millenia later.

1 watch the language
2 look up on it. ur thinking of unamed religions, Druids, Celts, Norse,etc. not wicca.
3 even if u still disagree after looking up on the information, don't flame people for believing otherwise. everyone is entitled to their oppinion in the very least.
PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:59 pm


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 9:17 pm


im a wiccan high priest and my coven has liniage how ever it is a form of alexandrian and celtic
PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 6:16 am


the dragon craft
im a wiccan high priest and my coven has liniage how ever it is a form of alexandrian and celtic


This in new. Can we get a vouch for you from Scorplett? She is a vouched Alexandrian High Priestess lineaged to Janet and Stewart Farrar.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 12:17 pm


the dragon craft
im a wiccan high priest and my coven has liniage how ever it is a form of alexandrian and celtic


Please contact me via PM with a means to acquire a vouch or simply ask your upline to contact me via any of the Amber and Jet moderators. They know that I use the handle 'Scorplett' on Gaia-Online.




as for the rest of the thread. It's great to see people interested in trying to piece together what can often be a minefield. However, it should be known that there are only four traditions of Wicca. They are:
Gardnerian
Alexandrian
Mohsian
Central Valley

There various lineages within each. Occasionally within Central Valley or CVW for short, the lineages can be reffered to as traditions, however they are simply lineages. Those lineages include Kingstone, Daoine Caoire, Majestic and others.
There are a small number of lineages of Gardnerian and Alexandrian in the USA and Canada. Long Island, Witecroft Line, Starkindler Line and Conneticut line are among them.

Some BlueStar have lineage, but they are individuals and the tradition as a whole does not maintain lineage.

Georgian is not a lineaged tradition of Wicca.

The Minoan Triad is not a lineaged tradition of Wicca.

Algard never really took off and there are no initiates currently working 'Algard'. There are many who have both Gardnerian and Alexandrian initiations and one day practice one, and the next the other, or simply elect to practice only one. However, there is no tradition actively blending the two.

The ATC and Pete Davis are NOT Wiccan. They are not a lineaged tradition of Wicca and numerous of their people are not Wiccan. There are Wiccans involved with the organization however.

Anderson Faerie is not a lineaged tradition of Wicca. It has lineage, but not to the New Forest covens. It has it's own lineage to Victor and Cora Anderson.

Reclaiming is a tradition derrived from Faerie and as such has Faerie lineage, not Wiccan lineage. Reclaiming Witches tend to get very upset if called Wiccans as they recognize their traditions have little in common.

Oddysean Wicca is not a lineaged tradition of Wicca. However, Richard and Tamara have obtained initiations in lineaged traditions.


Circle Wicca, Covenent of the Goddes, Kemetic/Tamarin, Celtic, American Tradition of the Goddess are not Wiccan.

I would also point out that Protean (early forming lines of and established lines of) are not Wiccan. Their lineage stops with Judy Harrow as does their liturgy.

I hope this helps.




If anyone is seeking actual lineaged covens to train with, or encounters a person claiming initiate status in any of the four traditions I have mentioned as being lineaged Wiccan traditions, please seek a vouch (verification of initiate status and standing) for the person from Amber and Jet yahoo mailing list and/or TradWicca.org
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