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 Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 4:30 am
I've always thought it weird. Liek most of you, I'm sure, every time I ask how it would make the person feel to knwo that at any time during thier mother's pregnancy that coudl have been killed, I get the same tired, point dodging responce. "I wouldn't care, I wouldn't be able to feel any thing." or "I wouldn't care, I'd be happy my mother used her right."
I also find it sad that some of these types have even gone so far as to iunsult thier parents with the "I'm sorry I was born" line. Your mother decided to give you life...and you insult her in that fastion. Its another reason why I think much of the choicers are not in a right state of mind.
But, my biggest beef, and another point they dodge, is how does one feel to know you were not a child, you were a choice. A choice, at that time you wern't human, a child, you were an object with only as much value as the person carrying you placed.
How would you feel if one day your mother looked at you and said. "You're not a person, you're a choice?"
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 4:40 am
DA (Devil's Advocate, not District Attourney)
But we are no longer choices. At this point we are actually people, because we have thoughts and feelings. At the time that abortion is legal though, we are no more people than a sperm or an egg is. Is every sperm sacred? Is menstruation murder? Is the choice to not have sex a choice which kills a person by making it so that person never existed? So why is abortion?
And I know what your answers will be, but they don't agree with your answers, and so trying to argue this wouldn't get very far. There's no shame in it, we were all choices at some point. We believe that point was sex. They believe it was later.
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 1:17 pm
i know, and that is how many of them twist it "i am born now so it doesn't matter"... which is stupid and selfish. however, i prefer to use, for those asshats, "everything you've seen and done didn't have to happen. take everything you've ever felt, wanted, seen and done and imagine it just blinking out. had your mother chosen death, everything you know and love, and even the things that make you upset, you would never witness or interact with."
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 2:08 pm
I get a sort of weird feeling when I look at my old sonogram photos, I don't know how many weeks it takes for a fetus to show up on one, but it sort of makes me sad to look at it and think that my mom could have aborted me back then with a simple phone call if she'd wanted to. If she had aborted me, my mom's kids would only consist of 5 boys and one girl, the girl who was already 14 would have never had a sister.
I would have never met all my teachers and friends, and grandma Alice would have never had even one grandaughter. She would have, but I would have been killed. I would have never met anybody in the world.
I'm not proud that my mom "chose" to have me, or could have chosen legally, (she's pro-life.) I'm very thankful that she appreciated me and that she loved me and that I wasn't 'unwanted' -- as if I my worth really matters depending on if anyone else wants to raise me. But I'm not worried about "this horrible life that [someone] wouldn't want children to have to experience." Even though they, as someone pointed out, sure don't want to be aborted, and even though millions seem to be wanting to live enough to where they won't elect to kill themselves!
I think I should have been protected as a fetus and later, not just now. I don't care if I'm 'disrespecting her "reproductive rights."' It would have involved my life, not just hers, and she could have simply taken it away from me.
I don't care if I wouldn't have known I'd been aborted. I've affected too many people, and too many people have affected me to have that all prevented for any reason, unless 1000 people would have died unless I was aborted. But no amount of money can determine what I'm worth, and I think I was worth a little more than 200 dollars.
... I'm getting worked up over something that never even happened. Sort of illogical, but it still COULD have legally happened so I guess it's okay to be disgusted.
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 4:54 pm
yes, it really is scary. we dodged the bullet by 1/4 of a chance, ignoring every other hazard of being born...
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 5:14 pm
Luckily, both my parents - and my whole family, at that - are pro-life Catholics.
But I truly just don't understand how pro-choicers can just downgrade a child within the womb to a mere clump of cells that is worth the $300-$700 it costs to have an abortion.
I've talked to my mom about this. A while ago. This is what I believe she said:
"You were not a choice. You were not an option. You were not a decision. You were not a symbol of shame, of disrespect, to my body.
You were, and still are, my precious Franchesca, who I love with every fiber of my being, who I would die for, suffer for, do anything for.
You and your sisters are miracles; blessings. I could have never asked for anything greater than you three; than the gifts God has given me, who grew within my womb.
What seperates me from those women who get abortions is this:
I felt you kicking, moving, and squirming inside of me countless times. I felt your precious movements and gestures and knew you were just as alive, just as human, as your father and I.
Pro-choicers may feel this... but they fail to recognize, to truly believe, that these movements are not their own body, but the body of their child.
I love you, Franchesca. And your sisters.
I don't care when you were born; before or after 1973.
I would have never aborted you - it would have never crossed my mind.
Because I love you, my baby."
Awww, s**t. I'm actually crying. Because she said this in an email, and I had to copy and paste...
I love my mom. I made her an awesome card for Mothers Day.
mrgreen
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 5:44 pm
To me, personally, it means a lot that my mother didn't consider having an abortion. She wanted both my brother and me, and that me feel wonderful, because I know that I was really wanted by the person who I came from-- by the person who knew me before I was born. It's just kind of a wonderful feeling.
People who say "Oh, I wouldn't care if I was aborted because I wouldn't be able to think or feel pain." are truly sad. If they don't care whether they lived or died; if they valued their mother's decision whether or not to kill them, and wouldn't have given a s**t either way, why don't they just commit suicide? Does their life not mean anything to them?
It's sad to me.
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 6:40 pm
Personally I believe in reincarnation, and that although it the child will still have a chance at life even if aborted that by aborting it you have interfered with the design that was meant for that child. Instead of providing it with a home and shelter you have thrown it back into the system without knowing if it will have a better or worse life. It is utter selfishness to interfere with the larger design and potentially cause a lot of harm in the child's future life. Anyway I know not everyone will agree with me but thats my two cents.
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 6:47 pm
It would be an interesting question; if most pro-choicers are Christian.
That would be a Goddamn scary thought.
eek
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Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 4:14 am
karllikespies Personally I believe in reincarnation, and that although it the child will still have a chance at life even if aborted that by aborting it you have interfered with the design that was meant for that child. Instead of providing it with a home and shelter you have thrown it back into the system without knowing if it will have a better or worse life. It is utter selfishness to interfere with the larger design and potentially cause a lot of harm in the child's future life. Anyway I know not everyone will agree with me but thats my two cents. OMG, I'd never thought I'd see an argument countering the "I beleive in reincarnation." Okay, heres how I saw that. Reincarnation is a beleife, a "potential", if you will. You beleive in reincarnation, and you come to find your pregnant, abortion isn't a problem for you since the child will just have another life. But, you fail to see the selfishness in the act. By aborting, you thrust the child back into the wheel, and it then lives another life, and there is a possibility it will lead a good life, or a s**t life, you don't know. But, if you birthed, you would have known for sure because it would have been your child and you could have made sure to the best of your ability it had a good life. Did that make any sence?
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Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 5:32 am
Pyrotechnic Oracle karllikespies Personally I believe in reincarnation, and that although it the child will still have a chance at life even if aborted that by aborting it you have interfered with the design that was meant for that child. Instead of providing it with a home and shelter you have thrown it back into the system without knowing if it will have a better or worse life. It is utter selfishness to interfere with the larger design and potentially cause a lot of harm in the child's future life. Anyway I know not everyone will agree with me but thats my two cents. OMG, I'd never thought I'd see an argument countering the "I beleive in reincarnation." Okay, heres how I saw that. Reincarnation is a beleife, a "potential", if you will. You beleive in reincarnation, and you come to find your pregnant, abortion isn't a problem for you since the child will just have another life. But, you fail to see the selfishness in the act. By aborting, you thrust the child back into the wheel, and it then lives another life, and there is a possibility it will lead a good life, or a s**t life, you don't know. But, if you birthed, you would have known for sure because it would have been your child and you could have made sure to the best of your ability it had a good life. Did that make any sence? The argument to the reincarnation belief is the same as it is when arguing against ANY murder. Is murder suddenly okay if reincarnation is true? It should be, because hey, there will be another life! It doesn't work like that. Using reincarnation as a justification to end a life is bullshit.
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Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 10:54 am
Using reincarnation to justify abortion makes as much sense as using God to justify homophobia.
It's using your religion as an excuse, rather than a belief.
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Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 2:43 pm
honestly, i hate the idea of reincarnation... because why haven't i been someone before this? and even if i WAS, i don't REMEMBER any of it... the slate is wiped clean, that old conciousness lost, that old personality, lost. even if it IS the same soul, it's not the same person, life, thoughts or conciousness. i just can't believe that.
i have also heard the old "well they gets a da 'get into heven free' cardzor!!!!!" which may or may not be true... the souls may simply be destroyed or lost
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Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 8:07 pm
Pyrotechnic Oracle karllikespies Personally I believe in reincarnation, and that although it the child will still have a chance at life even if aborted that by aborting it you have interfered with the design that was meant for that child. Instead of providing it with a home and shelter you have thrown it back into the system without knowing if it will have a better or worse life. It is utter selfishness to interfere with the larger design and potentially cause a lot of harm in the child's future life. Anyway I know not everyone will agree with me but thats my two cents. OMG, I'd never thought I'd see an argument countering the "I beleive in reincarnation." Okay, heres how I saw that. Reincarnation is a beleife, a "potential", if you will. You beleive in reincarnation, and you come to find your pregnant, abortion isn't a problem for you since the child will just have another life. But, you fail to see the selfishness in the act. By aborting, you thrust the child back into the wheel, and it then lives another life, and there is a possibility it will lead a good life, or a s**t life, you don't know. But, if you birthed, you would have known for sure because it would have been your child and you could have made sure to the best of your ability it had a good life. Did that make any sence? Pretty much so. lymelady: Yup exactly, people should appreciate the lives they are given rather than just take for granted any future lives they may have.
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Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 2:41 am
divineseraph honestly, i hate the idea of reincarnation... because why haven't i been someone before this? and even if i WAS, i don't REMEMBER any of it... the slate is wiped clean, that old conciousness lost, that old personality, lost. even if it IS the same soul, it's not the same person, life, thoughts or conciousness. i just can't believe that. i have also heard the old "well they gets a da 'get into heven free' cardzor!!!!!" which may or may not be true... the souls may simply be destroyed or lost The get into heaven free card I believe in. But... I'm not about to attend the Easter Mass and go up to the adults in the RCIA(a program that basically prepares adults to be converted) who are newly baptized and say, "Now that you'll definitely get into heaven, I'm killing you. That way you have no chance to screw it up and wind up in hell!"
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