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Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 6:14 pm
Well, this has been a hot topic before, so I figured i'd write it up (and expand more as new series, mangas and suchlike are produced) so everyone can debate. Now, first off, we confirm that Tomino said that he wanted the Turn-A Timeline to show the series were related. We see a flash of wing gundam, and Zaku are up and roaming, not to mention Turn-X's shining finger. This proves that it mixes them up. But then the question of "do the new series mess things up"? comes along.
From the top. Universal Century. Mobile suits are researched and built, increase in size, and the beam gun is invented. All pretty standard, we see evolution of size, speed and suchlike happening throughout the wars. NewType numbers increase then decline. Next we place the After War timeline. It pays reference to a number of wars equal to that seen in UC. We expect that the end of the final war had some unseen problems, driving the world into a small shithole to put it nicely. NewType numbers at a low amount. Next, we place Cosmic Era. Seed gives us the N-Jammer, and a new full scale military force. Also, the battery tech to counteract this N-Jammer means mobile suits take a step backwards in development. The number of NewTypes is few, infact we assume that at the end of Seed, all NewTypes are dead. The Zaku returns. But, where was Zaku during after war? Did they obtain a Zaku blueprint from some ancient ruins of a base on Earth or something? Next up, After Colony. No artificially enhanced people or NewTypes here. Just a computer system to simulate the advanced skills needed. Weapon tech has gone forward, and they've recovered from using batteries. The Zaku has myseriously gone into hiding again... Ends the long eras of war. Future Century now. Years later, mobile suits are bing used as giant gladiators. Problem with continuity here was the line at the end of endless walts "Mobile suits, including the Gundams were never seen again", but anyway... This happens. No Zakus here, no designs even vaguely similar. Nations build their own custom units and fight for control. But of course, something goes wrong. (OH NOES!) The Devil gundam evolves and becomes all evil. It's beaten. Now, the data on that tech was probably started. Also we see Wing Gundam nice and safely locked away with several UC Gundams. Correct Century. Problem here is theres a war. Endless Waltz said there were none. Meh. It's theorised that the events of FC there with Devil Gundam probably brought back man's hunger for battle. Now, Turn-A is last generation, having the higher generator output and everything. The Moonlight Butterfly could be modified from the nanoprobes Devil Gundam once used. Turn-X Uses a "shining finger" type attack. The Zaku makes his comeback! Buried underground for centuries and centuries, He's dug up, repaired and put back into service. Still outclassed even with the backward jump in technology from it being erased... WaDOM are a shocking flashback to their own BigZam project.. only better and mass produced. The other problem here is the guy with the Wing Gundam flashback... this could be a dream, hollucination, or something similar... but he had it.
I think this is it for now.
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Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 8:38 pm
Ophy - You already know that I have accepted this for the most part...The main plothole left that rips this apart is the beam weaponry is SEED...
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Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 11:54 pm
NonExistentOne Ophy - You already know that I have accepted this for the most part...The main plothole left that rips this apart is the beam weaponry is SEED... I think I pointed out most of them there plot holes. 3nodding But this is as complete as I can get the timeline continuity..
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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 4:40 am
How in the hell would they go from MP suits like the Gunblastor to things like Strike Daggers, GINNs, or even s**t like leos? neutral Where did all the Gundarium go? What happened to minovsky physics? I'd say the V2 could crush pretty much any suit from anything other than FC and CC. After War Gundam X was more of an alternative ending to the OYW. Never, EVER try and put wing s**t on the same timeline as UC. When Tomino said he wanted Turn A to be the last Gundam series, he meant he wanted no more, not that he wanted them all put into one giant timeline. He had seen all the s**t like wing and wanted Gundam to end, he didn't want it to keep going, so he added s**t from all the Gundam series into one to make it impossible for any more series to be made in those timelines, or so he thought.... There are far too many plotholes for this to work out, far too many.
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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 11:40 am
I know. but, it's a topic that'd be brought up here eventually. As a gundam guild, we owe it to the people to at least HAVE the pre-written discussion about it. Cuz I won't be bothered enough to retype it.
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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 12:22 pm
I do believe that turn A was crap for that one fact, that it tries to connect all the timelines.
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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 12:24 pm
Xeon Sempai I do believe that turn A was crap for that one fact, that it tries to connect all the timelines. You have to remember, when Turn-A WAS made, several of the timelines didn't exist. They do now... They made more plot holes. But there's still no bypassing the endless waltz "never seen again" thing.
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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 12:41 pm
Endless Waltz was crap, too.
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Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 6:06 pm
I'm more inclined to believe that each timeline is separate, if only because having a series of wars that went on for as long as a consolidated timeline would require them to would just be . . . unfeasible, in terms of supplies and people's patience. Plus, yes, the technologies differ greatly and they don't seem to get better along the chronology you propose - and, if nothing else, the methods of dating the years are different. I can't see people coming up with new systems of numbering the years so frequently.
I just don't see the advantage of one big timeline, anyway. I don't like to think of the deeper series linked in any way to the more eye-candy-ish series.
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Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 6:14 pm
Like i've said before, this was something Gundam.com came up with just before it closed... Very few people still remember the "universal timeline"... lets just say it works better without wing and seed. xd Its just here as reference. And if you look at the poll, there are a few who still buy it.
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 1:39 am
' the endless waltz "never seen again" thing.' can be seen as history documentary that didn't get retrivied cause of the out brake of war....
but any way after watching Turn A and trying to figure how things fit together i came to the conclusion that when Tomino was thinking up the story he was probably just or finish playing a version of GGeneration... or thinking something in relation....
with that said i think it would be better thinking that a lot of things happened at the same time... ignoring some minor commentary details of course...
i think it makes more sense then having series following series one after another for continuity sake
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Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 12:49 pm
What you say kinda make sense. Example: In G Gundam, in the last 2 episodes I seen Gundams from other series. Second to last episode: Seen the RX-78-2 launching into space via one of Neo-Sweden's rockets. Last Episode: I seen XXXG-01W Wing Gundam and RX-78GP01-Fb Full Vernier Zephyranthes watching one of Devil Gundam's tenacles reaching toward Earth blow up.
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Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 5:55 pm
Hmmm Turn A and it's strange yet easy to pick at ability to connect all series........ ::CHEER:: Actually I've met a few true and blue Gundam fans that never heard of this theory..... It makes sence..... yes they are probably things that make it seem a lil funky or not true but the fact remains that it's there.....
I'd have to say that since everything was somewhat old styled in Turn A that it could be possible for the Seed to fit in as sort of an evolutionary phase within all of the Gundam Universe...... You know the old addage Hisory Repeats itself.....
IF one is to believe the continuity time line theory of Turn A..... then I would say that Seed is in their far distant future...... in which the events of first Gundam are semi-sorta happening again......... Kinda like an evolution circular theory of war......
O_o I think that makes sense sweatdrop
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2004 9:42 am
Barking_Wolf What you say kinda make sense. Example: In G Gundam, in the last 2 episodes I seen Gundams from other series. Second to last episode: Seen the RX-78-2 launching into space via one of Neo-Sweden's rockets. Last Episode: I seen XXXG-01W Wing Gundam and RX-78GP01-Fb Full Vernier Zephyranthes watching one of Devil Gundam's tenacles reaching toward Earth blow up. This is what's called an "easter egg." It's something that makes you happy when you find it, but has no real effect on the overall storyline ... it's just a neat titdbit for you to be pleased that you found. There's more suits like that ... Episode 49 has a pair of RX-79[G], a Gouf, the Victory 2, the RX-78-2, the GP03 Stamen, the Zeta, the F91, the ZZ Gundam, Wing, (which is odd since wing was made after G, but it's definately in there), the GP01 Standard, at least two shots of the GP01Fb, and lots more. Watch during the ending shots when they're all flying to see a whole bunch of suits from other series. And I haven't even watched G Gundam. xd They're all in here: Gun-Plus's Episode 49 Screenshot GalleryLook close! ----------------------- As for the "Turn-A Bang" theory, I would've probably preferred it to be a finalization of the UC storyline, which was the original intention as far as I know. As it is, I reject it.
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