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La Violetta
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2006 7:46 pm


I figured it would be a good idea to discuss religion in the guild. I personally like to talk about my religion, and I'm interested to read what you have to say about yours. So to start us off, here are a few points of discussion:

arrow What religion do you follow?
*What do you want the rest of us to know about that religion?
*What are your religious beliefs? (Okay, that's kind of repeating the question.)
*Is there a certain division of your religion of which you are a part?
*Do you follow a combination of religions?
*Why do you follow this religion and/or division and/or combination?

arrow Do you ever face religious oppression?
*How are you religiously oppressed?
*Who are you religiously oppressed by?
*Do the people who religiously oppress you actually have a logical basis on which to do so? Is what they think about your religion even true?

arrow What do you think of other religions?
*Are there religions you agree with the beliefs of, but do not follow?
*Is there something about the beliefs of any other religion which you disagree with?
*Do you believe in converting people to your religion, or letting them follow whatever religious path they choose to follow? Is this different for different religions?

I'll add more to this as I go along. Feel free to bring up other points of discussion.

Now I will say right now, I am not going to tolerate any religious oppression in here in any form. So I'm laying down a set of rules which will hopefully help to prevent it. Be warned- I moderate this guild. There's plenty I can do if you don't follow them.

-I don't want flaming. If you disagree with a religion or with someone's religious beliefs, that's fine, and you can say so, but DO IT RESPECTFULLY.

-I don't want people trying to convert others to their religion. Even if you believe in doing so, I'm not going to tolerate it here. If someone wants to convert to your religion and has asked you to help them, that's fine, and you can do it in here. (But if you're going to do it by putting down other religions, you'd better take it out of the thread.) But otherwise, trying to convert someone is not allowed.

-I don't want anyone saying, "{this} is going to happen because you follow {this} religion and believe {this}."

I'll also add more to the rules as I go along. If you think of a rule which should be added, tell me. If I think it's reasonable, I'll put it in.
PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2006 8:24 pm


I'll start. I'm an agnostic Wiccan, which means for me that I follow Wiccan morals, rituals, and beliefs, but don't believe in the God and Goddess which the main division of Wicca follows, or any God or Goddess. Frankly, I don't know or care if there is a God or Goddess, but I'm not going to believe in them or worship them. I worship nature, and believe that everyone sculpts their own future, and as a whole, every being sculpts the fate of the entire universe. I believe in free will, and don't believe in destiny. I'm studying to learn how to work majick with spells, charms and so forth. No, I don't believe I'll ever be able to turn anyone into a frog, or make a bookshelf dance. I don't think that kind of magic exists, which is why I spell them differently. Magic to me is the kind of magic that turns people into frogs and makes bookshelves dance. It's the kind most know of, but few believe in. Majick, on the other hand, is the kind of majick cast by Wiccans, Pagans, and other occult/arcane religions. It's the real witchcraft, not the kind used by green women with long noses. It's the art of using your will to shape your future, of setting yourself in the frame of mind for something to happen in order to make it more likely. There are other aspects of it, too, such as using divination to see what the past, present, and future hold, but not everything about it. That would be magic. Fellow Wiccans, I know you're here, feel free to add in anything I left out. I'm sure I missed plenty.
Wicca faces a lot of religious oppression. Sadly, most people associate witchcraft with Satan and Satanism. I really have nothing against Satanism, I just don't follow it. However, many think it's evil, and they think Wiccans follow it. Me, I just get a bunch of crap from some of the guys at school. They call me and my Wiccan friends Satanists. (They actually got that partly from an inside joke we once had. I'll have to get the story of that later.) One guy thinks that we think that if we press the pentacles we draw on our wrists, broomsticks will fly out of them. What BS. Pentacles are sacred symbols to Wicca and other arcane/occult religions. A pentacle is a five-pointed star inside a circle. We draw them on our wrists as a silent protest, because a girl got kicked out of her school for doing the same. Which goes to show that a lot of other Wiccans face much more oppression than I do.
I believe that people should be able to choose their own religious path and follow it, as long as they tolerate other religions, and don't try to convert other people to their religion or do crazy things to people who follow other religions, like kill them. And if their religion encourages them to just randomly kill a bunch of people or something hideous like that, and they DO go out and just randomly kill a bunch of people because their religion encourages them to, that's just not right. Other than that, I'm mostly fine with other people's religions. But I'll go into the finer details of that later.

La Violetta
Vice Captain


shmazzle

PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 7:42 pm


Well, as you know Olive, I'm Christian. Russian Orthodox to be precise. And yes, people DO bully me for it; especially *cough*S*cough*a*cough*s*cough*k*cough*i*cough*a*cough*. redface Sorry Olive, I know she's your best friend but... It REALLY bothers me that she's always so mean to me. Whenever I'm around, she just HAS to say something bad about Christianity. I don't wanna talk behind her back, even though she does about me; like you say she calls me 8!+ch-@$$. I just don't understand why she 8!+ch3$ about Christianity so much. I guess she's trying to convert me or something, but I'll stay defiant.
And Olive, yeah, the guys are treating you like crap, but they don't actually think you'll fly away on a broomstick, they just wanna make a bad joke. But that's bad enough.
PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 7:50 pm


Another thing S*a*s*k*i*a doesn't understand, is that it's the the ChrisTIANS fault that they killed so many people, not ChrisTIANITY'S. It's considered wrong to kill people. Somehow, she just doesn't understand. Besides, if she thinks those facts will convert me, she's wrong. I'm not a Catholic. But I'm still mad at her for being anti-semetic. Even if she insulted Buddhists or somebody else, I'd be mad. It's not right to bully about religion.

shmazzle


Lupine Lazuli

PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 8:00 pm


What the crap are you talking about?!? Momo's not my best friend, you are. DON'T DENY IT... XD Okay, I'm done now. And I know they know I can't fly. What they don't know is that I don't think I can. Those assholes just need any excuse they can get to give me s**t. And... convert you? I never thought of that before, but I guess it's possible. How pathetic of her. How hypocritical. But I'm starting to b***h. Shutting up. NOW.
PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 7:43 pm



Ok, well, here we go.

I am Eclectic Wiccan. That means, I take parts of different Wiccan traditions (Dianic, Gardnarian etc) and principals and mix them together. It also means that I worship different kinds of Gods and Goddesses (Roman, Greek, Egyptian, etc). Well, I don't really, because I haven't found any I'm drawn to yet, but I mean, I'm just explaining. Change this around in Vi's post, and you have basically what I was gonna say. Good job Vi, by the way! The only thing I would change is the whole destiny thing. I'm kinda in a toss up with that. I'm also trying to get better at meditating, Astral Projection (which is kinda hard), and tarot/runes. And...That's about it!

Anyway, nobody has made fun of me...Because nobody knows! Well, aside from a few good friends that is. I do, however, think that people who think Wicca=Satanism need to research a little.

And there is a Buddhist belief that I think is true. "Life is a combination of suffering and pleasure." Because, quite frankly, without suffering, there would be no pleasure. Nobody would know the difference!

There really any religions or beliefs that I disagree with, just some that I know aren't right for me.

And, as the last point, I think that people should get to choose their own path. So what if it's not "Main Stream"? Or maybe it is! Like I say quite often, to each their own.

@Vi-Peanut butter, peanut butter.

I R Lemmy. Hear Meh Roar.
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La Violetta
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 12:37 am


Meh. I've decided that I give up on religion. It's too confusing, too hard to figure out what I really believe in. I just need to stop questioning. So I've decided to just think what I think and not think about what I think. And hell, in a week or two it'll probably all change. I'm like that. Oh, the joys of adolescence. Fun fun.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 5:30 pm


Religions religions. What can I say?

I currently have no real religion. I need serious help, and no one to give it to me.

Think you can help? Contact me at 468-Whatthehellismyfreakingreligion.
Nah. Just joking.

collapsiblbunny
Vice Captain


collapsiblbunny
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 5:33 pm


Now. About other religions. Well, I can't give my opinion, because it's like I said: I have no one to give me the help I need.
I no nothing about any religions, I don't know what's "good" and "bad", as some people say. I don't know what to believe, I don't know what to believe in, I don't know who to believe in.

All I can say, is I am in no way, a Satanist. I know that much, and that's all.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 12:15 am


Well, I guess it's kinda hard to say which religion I belong to. I go to a Christian Church and all that, but I don't really dollow any of the rules, and I disagree with most of the people who go to the church I go to when it comes to certain things.... they always say they think that way cuz of their religion and all that...I don't believe it. Example, I'm Christian, but I swear, act extremely violent sometimes, and think that homosexuality is okay. Almost all of the Christians I know would just start griping about it, but I don't give a crap. I don't realy know if that's much of an explanation on my part, but hey, it's the best I can do for now.. xd

Z_freak92

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