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Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 2:23 am
In Norse they had Jormungand, in Christianity they had the Leviathan, in Greek myth they had the Kraken, and even in Islam they had Iblis. Really, I must wonder if these creatures are all related to each other somehow, or if it's all just one big xoincidence... Your thoughts on the subject? Or are there any others you know of that I forgot?
And just to fill in those who don't know... Jormungand: The Midgard Serpent. He was the son of Loki and had venom so potent it was even capable of subduing and killing the gods. When Jormungand, Fenris the wolf, and the goddess Hel were born, Odin grabbed Jormungand and tossed him into the sea, seemingly trying to drown him, grabbed Hel by the throat and threw her down into the underworld, Nifleheim, and then took Fenris in as a pet dog since he was just a small wolf pup at the time. (The Norse gods were asses. >_>) At Ragnarok, Jormungand and Thor are to kill each other and the venom flowing from the crushed head of the Midgard Serpent becomes a river flowing through the new underworld.
Leviathan: Not much is said about the Leviathan besides that it is a massive sea creature so large that only one could possibly exist. It's often argued whether it took the form of a serpent, a crocodile, or a whale, and it's speculated that it's in reality just a sort of symbol for Lucifer himself.
Kraken: A massive sea beast so large it was supposedly actually mistaken for an island. In the 1700's many people believed in the kraken, and one man actually described it as being a mile and a half long. Of course, one must question if the creature that the sailing Europeans of that era was really the same as the Greek Kraken, as in Greek myth the Kraken was defeated by Perseus when he used the head of Medusa to save his wife, Andromeda.
Iblis: Iblis is one thing that isn't very comparable to the others... But he is a terrible creature who resdes in the sea, and certain aspects remind me of arguments about the Leviathan. Iblis was once a high angel in Islamic lore... But when Adam was created he, along with the djinn, refused to bow down to him, and hence they were all damned by Allah. (Of course, according to the prophet Muhammad, djinn became able to redeem themselves just like humans. Although most still seemed to be viewed as malevolant beasts in tales who held a vendetta against humans.) Iblis was cast down from the heavens and turned into a great and powerful djinn, there he took a throne at the bottom of the sea and became king of the shaitan. (The most basic class of evil djinn.)
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Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 12:00 pm
I don't really believe in coincidence. I'm one of those crazy everything-happens-for-a-reason kind of people.
I don't doubt that there have been on long surviving deep-sea large aquatic creatures that have surfaced in various places of the world. I do however believe that old fish tales have always been fabricated from sheer excitement of the telling each time it's told.
So, it's not completely something that I would rule out.
I took on the role of URD of the three goddess maidens Urd Verdandi and Skuld. I shaped the lives of men and called them norns. And there was no grass; there were however, more norns.
xd Haha. Sorry you'd have to be there. It was a professional production of The Well of Urd of which I and another guild member were cast in. Because it was a year long process we have lots of inside jokes. I couldn't help it [/random]
Thanks for the new topic heart
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Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 4:29 pm
Well, being a Christian, I believe that there were creatures like that. There are a few places in the bible that talk about them. I'm gonna go through the old book and read about them and get back to you on that.
I've always wondered, how big was that fish that ate Jonah? I'm very curious about that.
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 2:37 am
Hayabashi 2 Well, being a Christian, I believe that there were creatures like that. There are a few places in the bible that talk about them. I'm gonna go through the old book and read about them and get back to you on that. I've always wondered, how big was that fish that ate Jonah? I'm very curious about that. Well last I knew it was a whale... But a tuna could easily eat a human once they're fully grown. Considering it swallowed him I could only assume it couldn't be a baleen whale of any sort, but maybe a sperm whale as they get really big and are the only toothed whale I think could possibly swallow a man without ripping them apart first. I mean, narwhals are only about 14 feet long when fully grown, and beaked whales... Well, the smaller beaked whales that are only around the size of a narwhal... No way. But maybe one of the massive ones that are around 40 feet, maybe. But considering general form, I still think the 60 foot sperm whale is one's safest bet.
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 9:09 am
Hmmm....maybe. I'm thinking something MUCH, MUCH bigger than that. He lived in it for 3 days, so he probably needed a lot more room that that.
I think that it was a whale that has probably gone extinct. Who knows.
Like Lala, I believe everything happens for a purpose and nothing is ever really a coinidence. The bible actually has a little part in it talking about a large creature with huge tree like legs. My brother thinks it was a dinosaur. I'm beginning to agree with him. 3nodding
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Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 7:06 am
You mean the Behemoth? A massive animal coated in thick fur that had all the makings of a meat eater, but that was a vegetarian? Honestly it sounds more like a wooly mammoth to me... Especially since the Behemoth has appeared in some tales around India with a more elephantish appearance.
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 4:21 pm
That could definitely be true. I've never actually read that bible verse but only listened to my brother. I should look it up, though.
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 12:58 am
There are no sea monsters, except if you're talking about the dinosaur age. They were the huge ...something... that had those big fins.
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 1:00 am
(added on to last PM) I'm saying that from a religious standpoint. I've have to get reference on that from someone with a lot of wisdom though to go further.
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:00 am
Megaladon sharks. >_> Those things were the largest sharks to ever exist, and they were believed to have eaten prehistoric whales.
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:46 pm
Irving Mason Megaladon sharks. >_> Those things were the largest sharks to ever exist, and they were believed to have eaten prehistoric whales. Except, no body really knows that. It's only theory.
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 9:25 am
How big were they. They must have had a niccceee set of teeth if you know what I mean.
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