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 Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 11:47 pm
Well, many and most people think God causes all the problems on this earth. But Satan rules this world "the whole world is lieing in the power of the wicked one" 1John 5vs 19
Shows the Satan rules the world, so he is the one who is causing all the problems on this earth. Not God! Who is love and only wants the best for us.
Soon Satan will be gone!!!!!!!!!! YAY1
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 3:03 am
Well, just because Lucifer (Or Belial, if you're going by the Dead Sea Scrolls...) has dominion over the Earth doesn;t necessarily mean he causes all the problems. Many of our problems come from no more than human stupidity and greed, and that cannot be denied. If I were Christian I'd be going more along the lines of this... Humans are the cause of most of the problems humans have, but in many cases the source of humans causing these problems may have come from temptation via the head man of Hell himself... Whether it's known by the tempted or not.
In the end, it's all about free will and how humans use it. lucifer can't MAKE people dump oil or radioactive waste in the oceans, but if they do it's still one big problem, wouldn't you say? However, he or one of his devil minions may be able to say... Make a certain illness, like some djinn were accused of doing in Islam. I suppose it's only human nature to try to blame something else for our problems, but averting one's eyes from the real issue won't fix it.
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 9:16 am
To a degree I agree, but really, Satan has no power what so ever. He only has the power to trick and tempt. That's about it. If somebody listens to him, which we all have and do sometimes, it's their fault for giving in. So, people are victims, but in another sense, they cause problems.
But yes, soon he shall pay for his crimes! Take that, Satan!
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 12:23 pm
Satan is the ruler of this world, yes. 3nodding But he won't be for very long so keep your guard up, and yet, be humble and righteous. Jehovah will do the fighting for you.
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 1:27 pm
So are you saying God is not all powerful?
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 1:48 pm
Satan couldn't be the ruler. All of earth would be in turmoil then.
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 3:23 pm
Hayabashi 2 Satan couldn't be the ruler. All of earth would be in turmoil then. He could!! Ok i will give you scriptual evidence Ok Matthew 4 vs 8 N Quote "Again the DEvil took him along to an unusually high mountain, and showed him all the knigdoms of the world and their glory" Vs9 "and he said to him: "All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me" The next Verse he says go away Satan because it is to Jehovah your GOd you must render sacred service As you can see here Satan offered Jesus aLL The Kingdoms and their glory as long as he falls down and worships him! Would he be able to do that if he didnt have the world to give him? AND wouldnt Jesus say "YOu cant do that its not yours" No he could not because it is not his! and tell why? Would Jehovah who is love cause everyone on this earth to suffer? Satan doesnt want to destroy the earth because he wants to show Jehovah that he can take everyone and worship him!
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 3:36 pm
i disagree. Scripture evidence says that Satan has jack. I'll give you biblical references in a sec.
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 3:44 pm
Satan is only a fallen angel. Angels have no true power unless Gid gives it to them. Angels all follow God, except that jerk Satan. Hence, Satan has no power. He can tempt and trick, but he doesn't rule the world. If he did, you'd see a lot more evil going on, for example, there would be a lot less followers of Christ. Don't you think Satan would try and show himself to the world and do a bunch of mircles if he had the power to? He doesn't have any power.
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 9:41 pm
Hayabashi 2 Satan is only a fallen angel. Angels have no true power unless Gid gives it to them. Angels all follow God, except that jerk Satan. Hence, Satan has no power. He can tempt and trick, but he doesn't rule the world. If he did, you'd see a lot more evil going on, for example, there would be a lot less followers of Christ. Don't you think Satan would try and show himself to the world and do a bunch of mircles if he had the power to? He doesn't have any power. there is alot of power and evil on this earth people are being killed all the time and there are many liers ect! DO you think a God of love will cause all this horrible things to happen to us! You are now calling God a lier.
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 9:53 pm
I am not in the slightest. I never said that God was responsible for such acts. Satan does have the power to tempt and trick, but he has NO true power. Notice how when bad things like murder and killing happens, it's because of a human being or many human beings. God gave us free will, and some people abuse it. Hell, we all abuse it sometimes by sinning. The fact that murder and stuff happens is a direct result of Satan's temptation and trickery, not God. Satan can't control anything, if he could, you'd see a lot worse than what happens. When bad things happen, God can and will make good come out of it.
Satan doesn't rule the world. He rules nothing. But that doesn't mean he can't influence bad things to happen.
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 10:01 pm
lollyz Hayabashi 2 Satan is only a fallen angel. Angels have no true power unless Gid gives it to them. Angels all follow God, except that jerk Satan. Hence, Satan has no power. He can tempt and trick, but he doesn't rule the world. If he did, you'd see a lot more evil going on, for example, there would be a lot less followers of Christ. Don't you think Satan would try and show himself to the world and do a bunch of mircles if he had the power to? He doesn't have any power. there is alot of power and evil on this earth people are being killed all the time and there are many liers ect! DO you think a God of love will cause all this horrible things to happen to us! You are now calling God a lier. Have you ever seen a guy that could go through walls and hover by thin air? He was on television once and he was in a park and he was just floating in air. Satan is doing that. He is performing that miracle to misslead many more people. You can see Satan's miracles and acts everywhere you go on this planet. Satan is the ruler of this "wicked system of things". Long ago, Jehovah and his angels had a war , I believe, in the heavens. Satan lost and all his followers were thrown down to this earth. We are now being tempted by Satan's temptations just as Adam and Eve.
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 10:02 pm
Hayabashi 2 I am not in the slightest. I never said that God was responsible for such acts. Satan does have the power to tempt and trick, but he has NO true power. Notice how when bad things like murder and killing happens, it's because of a human being or many human beings. God gave us free will, and some people abuse it. Hell, we all abuse it sometimes by sinning. The fact that murder and stuff happens is a direct result of Satan's temptation and trickery, not God. Satan can't control anything, if he could, you'd see a lot worse than what happens. When bad things happen, God can and will make good come out of it. Satan doesn't rule the world. He rules nothing. But that doesn't mean he can't influence bad things to happen. Whoa buddy, I sense some anger in what you just wrote. Slow down.
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 10:04 pm
I'm not angry, it's OK. I would be angry if she were constantly accusing me, but I know that she isn't. It's all good 3nodding
You say he was on televison? I don't see your point. A lot of stuff like that happens on Television.
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 11:54 pm
Poem's Thoughts:
God = Almighty and all powerful.
All = Everything, nothing left.
Therefore, because GOD is ALL powerful, there is no power left for the prince of powerless (satan).
Saying satan has dominon over us is doubting God to have all power.
Take this example from the book of Job, first chapter:
6 One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them. 7 The Lord said to Satan, "Where have you come from?" Satan answered the Lord, "From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it." 8 Then the Lord said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil." 9 "Does Job fear God for nothing?" Satan replied. 10 "Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. 11 But stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face." 12 The Lord said to Satan, "Very well, then, everything he has is in your hands, but on the man himself do not lay a finger." Then Satan went out from the presence of the Lord.
My point here is that if Satan already possesed power over the land, why did he have to get permission and power from God to go tempt Job?
The ONLY power he has is of persuasion. If we fall to that persuation we give up the power that is lived through us to him.
To sum it up, i believe that satan is only as powerful as you make him to be. I give him no glory, because it all belongs to God.
I know you love God, and I love Him too! So, instead of giving credit to satan we should give glory to God.
No, God does not make us sin, but he does give us a choice. We can not love Him without that choice. it is the job of satan to take down everyone he can with him, but God did not leave us defenceless. He has enabled each of us with a "measure of his spirit" which contains power and authority.
We fall short. God doesn't. And satan has no room for authority. 3nodding
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