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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 7:46 am
How many of you have problems with social skills? It doesn't seem like it online, but I have a lot of problems with social skills. I don't have that innate ability to assess how somebody is feeling, their expectations, or even remotely guess what they're thinking. Theory of mind problem. I also don't get the whole ebb and flow of conversation. I guess a lot of this is normal in perspective of autism, but I was just curious if anybody else has problems with social skills. Online it's a lot easier. Plus, my verbal skills suck. stare
Let's add some 'social rules' that people have observed: 1. If they ask if they look nice, you say yes even if they look bad. 2. If they ask if they look fat, you say no. 3. You must say hi or some other form of greeting before talking. 4. Do not join in other people's conversations, especially when you don't know them. Even if you have something to contribute. 5. Don't talk for longer then 5 minutes before the other person's 'turn'. People don't like to know *everything* about a topic, even if you do. 6. Your hair is fuzzy/spiky/other texture word is not a compliment to most people. 7. Don't reach out and pat people's hair, clothes, or body part, especially if you don't know them. 8. If a friend is talking to somebody else, this doesn't mean come over and say hi now. Your friend will be angry or insulted, not happy. 9. People think it's weird to spin random objects and do not like you taking their objects for this purpose. 10. You don't say "I want that" or just walk up and take something.
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 8:29 am
Ack, I just wrote this really long message, and my internet explorer quit on me! I'll try to remember what I typed.
As you know, I have trouble with socializing, too. I never know how to start or enter a conversation, and I have a hard time keeping one going. I have gotten better at it a bit, though. I can't tell if someone is joking or being sarcastic, and if someone speaks vaguely or not completely clearly, their meaning is often lost on me, or I misinterpret them. I also tend to "put my foot in my mouth" by saying things people become offended by, without realizing that what I've said offensive. It's because I'm fairly blunt and straightforward, and don't consider what I'm saying to be mean or rude. I also am not that great at verbalizing, I need time to process what the other person has said, and then order my own thoughts to respond. Words get jumbled in my head quite a bit, and my sentences can come out backwards or mixed up, with strange word choice. Sometimes, especially when there is a lot of background noise, I have a very hard time understanding what people have said, and I have to ask them to repeat themselves. After three times doing this, people tend to get annoyed and I usually have to just smile and pretend I heard them.
I think it's hard to have rules for this sort of thing, because it often depends on the context of the situation. I have found that it is generally acceptable in the classroom setting that if two people are talking about something in your vicinity that you know about, to enter their conversation even if you don't know them. This is how people get to know eachother. I have a hard time with this, but watching other people, it seems most don't mind you entering their conversation unless it is about something private, like their boyfriend or something.
As for telling people they look bad, well, if a friend of mine asks what I think of their clothing, and I don't like it, I try to be honest without being too harsh. I will say something like "it's not my taste," or "Maybe something else would look better" rather than just saying "it's ugly."
Are there any rules for understanding sarcasm? I can tell someone is joking if what they say is outlandish enough, but otherwise I take them seriously, and I have gotten into trouble with this before, because I become arguementative when they only meant to fool around.
Also, what is the rule for smiling? People often tell me I look unhappy because I don't smile naturally, and that I should smile more so people will think of me as a more pleasant person. But then I feel goofy and like I am smiling too much. I have this problem with eye contact, too. I used to not look at people at all when they spoke to me, after I found out I was supposed to do that, I started staring too much.
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 8:41 am
Caffienated How many of you have problems with social skills? Me, and I'm not even crazy. Quote: I don't have that innate ability to assess how somebody is feeling, their expectations, or even remotely guess what they're thinking. I can guess, but I get it wrong most of the time. sweatdrop Quote: 1. If they ask if they look nice, you say yes even if they look bad. 2. If they ask if they look fat, you say no. Thank you for the list! I hate lying to people, so for those who also hate lying and have problems with this I recommend you say something like "Lots of people think you're pretty, why do you think you don't?" or "I don't really wear the same style clothes as you so I can't tell if that's a good outfit." which is 'cheating' because you're not actually answering their question, but a lot of people can't handle hearing they look bad. Quote: 5. Don't talk for longer then 5 minutes before the other person's 'turn'. People don't like to know *everything* about a topic, even if you do. It's not just that people don't always want to know 'everything'. They also want to ask questions about one sentence or share their experiences and intrests in return when it is relevent. smile Quote: 6. Your hair is fuzzy/spiky/other texture word is not a compliment to most people. And it sucks. I offended a lot of people by saying things like that. My mum used to get annoyed with me because I described her hair as 'floppy' because of the way it falls and swings about. Apparently, this is not a good word for hair. Quote: 8. If a friend is talking to somebody else, this doesn't mean come over and say hi now. Your friend will be angry or insulted, not happy. I didn't know this one! Thank you! Quote: 9. People think it's weird to spin random objects and do not like you taking their objects for this purpose. It's not only spinning objects, but lots of other things, like reading too much or staring at the floor or yelling out nonsense even just once. sad There are lots more that I don't know about, I'm certain. I don't like htis one. You aren't hurting anyone phycisally or emotionally by spinning random objects, so I don't see why people should dislike you for it.
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 8:54 am
Civet Moon Are there any rules for understanding sarcasm? When joking, people will often smile when saying something that you might think was serious and wouldn't usually be smiled at. When being sarcastic, most people make their vowls longer and change the pitch of their voice and some people make slightly exaggerated eye movements. It is sometimes very hard to tell. My dad doesn't often do any of these when being sarcastic so sometimes my mum or I take him seriously when he's only joking. sweatdrop I did that today. Quote: Also, what is the rule for smiling? People often tell me I look unhappy because I don't smile naturally, and that I should smile more so people will think of me as a more pleasant person. But then I feel goofy and like I am smiling too much. I have this problem with eye contact, too. I used to not look at people at all when they spoke to me, after I found out I was supposed to do that, I started staring too much. Don't worry too much about the smiling. Perhaps if you really want to smile and can't smile naturally you could think of something that made you smile? I have a goofy smile naturally when i'm really happy. So people laugh at me when I'm happy, which is ok, because when I'm happy I don't mind! blaugh I would recommed that with eye contact, you don't look at people at all if when you do you stare. Talking to someone who isn't looking at me would make me think one of three things: - The person does not want to speak to me - The person is concentrating on soemthing else as well as me talking - The person does not like eye contact But talking to someone who was staring at me would make me think one of theses things: - There is soemthing unusual about my appereance that the other person cannot stop looking at - The other person wants to intimidate me (and I would feel intimidated anyway) - The other person cannot/does not move their eyes much So the staring is worse.
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 12:02 pm
My main problem is that my illness makes it hard for me to show my emotions on my face a lot of the time. Also, I have a lot of hallucinations and other problems that people sometimes catch onto.
11. Always make eye contact, or make little noises of understanding ("yeah, uh-huh") when people are talking to you, or they won't think you're listening. 12. If people ask you "what's wrong" because you're not smiling, make up some excuse about not feeling well (because they won't believe that you're just fine) or say "I was just thinking" if you can force a smile afterwards.
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 12:40 pm
I have bizarre behavior in public quite a bit of the time, which makes socializing hard for me.
I have a hard time with keeping my mouth shut, so sometimes I just jump into conversations or say something offensive. I have tendency to give too much information as well. Most of my social problems stem from the fact that my thoughts are very disorganized. For example, I quickly lose interest in the midst of conversation and start to walk away. Or you could tell me something at the beginning of a conversation and by the end, I would have forgotten what you'd told me. Also, I have trouble showing emotion unless it's extremely exaggerated. Sometimes I talk to my self, though it's usually because I'm talking/yelling at my "voices" and I laugh, scream or cry at spontantious intervals.
And the worst part is that I alternate between these things and being completely normal, or at least, appearing completely normal. So people that know me are usually somewhat intimidated by my changes in behavior.
As far as delusions or hallucinations go, I rarely have them in public, thank God. And actually, I've only had two or three full blown hallucinations besides the audatory "voices" that I keep under wraps.
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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 10:14 am
Thank you for all of the replies! Here's some more stuff I thought of: -Put down a book/magazine when talking to somebody -There's an invisable 'triangle' where it's okay to look at a person. It's slightly above the nose down to slightly below and beside the nose. I read this in a book about body lanuage.
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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 10:43 am
Smart Alex My main problem is that my illness makes it hard for me to show my emotions on my face a lot of the time. Also, I have a lot of hallucinations and other problems that people sometimes catch onto. 12. If people ask you "what's wrong" because you're not smiling, make up some excuse about not feeling well (because they won't believe that you're just fine) or say "I was just thinking" if you can force a smile afterwards. I know this is an odd thing to say, but my French teacher rarely shows obvious facial expression, and once commented on a comment that no-one made. I wonder... The smiling things bugs me sometimes. I apparently look troubled when I think hard about something. Then people come up to me and ask "Are you ok?" and I say "Yeah, I'm fine, you alright?" and come back to my surroundings and smile. Then they look very confused. sweatdrop Caffinated - a book on body language? That sounds interesting. 3nodding
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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 4:15 pm
Civet Moon As you know, I have trouble with socializing, too. I never know how to start or enter a conversation, and I have a hard time keeping one going. I have gotten better at it a bit, though. I can't tell if someone is joking or being sarcastic, and if someone speaks vaguely or not completely clearly, their meaning is often lost on me, or I misinterpret them. Same here. I'm avoidant of socializing unless someone talks to me first. I dont' know where to begin and I sometimes don't even talk on message boards when I want. I can't read people very well, either. I cannot begin to understand what someone is thinking of me when I look at them or hear from them. Civet Moon I also am not that great at verbalizing, I need time to process what the other person has said, and then order my own thoughts to respond. Words get jumbled in my head quite a bit, and my sentences can come out backwards or mixed up, with strange word choice. Sometimes, especially when there is a lot of background noise, I have a very hard time understanding what people have said, and I have to ask them to repeat themselves. After three times doing this, people tend to get annoyed and I usually have to just smile and pretend I heard them. I sometimes get my words jumbled up and don't think exactly whe i want to say through before I say it. I too often have problems hearing people and I end up acting like I heard them, so i don't annoy them by asking again. This has got me in a little trouble before, because they'll be asking a question and I'm acting like i heard them, but not respond and they're probably thinking "did you really listen to me?"
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 2:19 pm
I have an antisocial personality disorder. Simple as that
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 5:19 pm
I don't have a problem with thinking up with what to say, it's how to say it. More often than not, I'm winding up leagues away from my original topic XD. 13.) Mamimi sayeth: Never Knows Best.
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:24 pm
i'm antisocial, and shy. I often have difficulty at SAYING the words. I often can think whole dialogues beforehand, but my mouth doesn't follows :/
i can't "read" peoples, but on the other hand, i can sort of guess what they want... sometimes :s
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Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:28 am
I've adopted a position of, "If you don't like it, then don't ******** talk to me." 3nodding
But, I can keep up a front in accordance with etiquette for, oh...a few hours or so.
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 6:40 am
Potato_Chan As far as delusions or hallucinations go, I rarely have them in public, thank God. And actually, I've only had two or three full blown hallucinations besides the audatory "voices" that I keep under wraps. Thank goodness! I have frequent delusions or hallucinations in public. I used to be a lot more worried that people would notice, and they do sometimes, but I've learned that people aren't actually very likely to jump to the conclusion that you're crazy if you act strangely. Most people see what they want to see, unless I'm doing a very poor job of damage control!
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 7:02 pm
I'd say my social skills are pretty good, but I attribute a lot of that to paranoia. I'm apparently very, very good at reading people--even if someone's facial expression or body language doesn't change, I can instantly "feel" if they're pissed off, either at me or someone else. This, and years of being an outcast have provided me with a sizeable mental file of social rules that I'm terrified of breaking (though I often do so when drunk sweatdrop ). As far as etiquette, my mom drilled that into me...
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