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Me too. I never felt something for being a vegan and being a vegetarian is good enough for me.

Soymilk, you are exactly one reason why so many people hate veg*ns. You're too damn hostile and preachy. It's someone's choice. Not yours. I understand your right to an opinion, but your hostility hit a nerve for me.

It has nothing to do with people not caring about "non-humans." My goal in life is to fight for animals. I'm going to college so that I can major in wildlife management so that I can help the animals fight back. I just completed an internship in California working 12 hour days in the 100 degree desert heat restoring countless illegal trails so that the endangered desert tortoise might have a fighting change against these arrogant humans you speak of.

If you opened up your eyes you'd see that not everyone can do a diet like you can. Some people could die if they adopted a vegan diet. Personally, I've gone vegetarian I don't know how many times. Want to know what stopped me? Massive, excrutiatingly painful chest pains that made me to want to die. On a recommendation, I started eating meat again. Since then, no chest pains. I only eat meat occasionally, just so I don't have to suffer anymore. I can't afford a doctor, medication, or expensive dieticians. Unfortunately, biology fields don't pay much. And I'll have to deal with it.

What am I getting at? People DO care, no matter what your close-minded opinion may be. It only pisses me off more when people like you try to shove it in my face even more when THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO ABOUT IT. Talking to other friends who are omnivores, and hell, even other friends who are vegan or vegetarian, they agree that hostile attitudes like yours make people WANT to eat meat more, just to spite you. It's that attitude that spurs organizations like PETA... People Eating Tasty Animals. The hostility, if anything, only seems to make things worse, in my opinion, and in others.

I'm not saying there's not a problem. There is a HUGE problem with factory farming. It needs to be rid of. I would like to be alive to see its destruction. But once animals are put out in pastures, chickens are kept in large yards with grass, chicken feed, soft bundles of straw to lay in, and plenty of room to run around in, cows are being fed corn and other natural things without the injections and hormones, being milked once a day and only when they have calves, not to force them to have them, then what? The animals are living healthy existences. They are in large fields where they can run and eat until their heart's content. They wouldn't be mass bred, but like farms of years ago. Would you still have a problem then? Probably. But you can't cure factory farming over night. I don't see the world EVER switching to all vegans. It's just not going to happen. Cows, chickens, pigs, all livestock in general couldn't survive without human influence. It was us who bred them after all.

Let me ask you this: Do you have a problem with how some native american tribes or early homo-sapien clans worshipped animals and worked with them before going on a hunt? They never farmed them. They only killed if needed, and when they did, they used EVERY part of the animal. They did it for survival. What do you think?

So you actually think being nasty like you are is going to get people to see your view? No, It's going to turn them away. Why do you think so many people have problems with fundamentalist Christians? The ONLY way of getting people to understand is to show some understanding and compassion. I won't write anymore to you simply because there is no point. Ailinea, you are such a good person! People like you are the ones who inspire others to do great things in life.

Is a lion who eats gazelle a murderer?

Being a lacto-vegetarian doesn't mean someone likes "raping and killing cows". A lacto-vegetarian has already taken a big step away from hurting animals. Rather than insinuating that she's depraved, I think you should stop being so goddamn judgemental. She's doing more than a non-vegetarian, why can't you be satisfied with that??

Wanna bet? I can't offer proof any more than you can, but I can't even begin to count the number of people who are anti-vegan because they're sick of being judged and preached at! Shoving your views down our throats is not going to make us sympathetic.

You say human superiority, I say a human dependancy and lack of education and/or options. Don't act as if you know what goes on in everyone else's head, because you don't.

Since when is it even remotely ok to demand that everyone follow YOUR system of beliefs? Making suggestions and educating people is not the same as aggressively insisting that you know what's best for everyone.


First: Do you not understand that not everyone believes it is murder? You're clearly not an idiot, so why is that so hard for you to follow? Calling people murderers is not going to make them listen to you. They're just going to stop listening.

Secondly, assuming that everyone can be vegan is very, very close-minded. There's a plethora of reasons why we can't all be vegan; and you know what? Not a single one of those reasons is any of your business.

Live your life, and don't try to live other people's lives for them.


What strikes a nerve for me is that you are absolutely intolerant of anyone else's beliefs. It's unfortunate that an animal is caught up in this, but go eat your vegan cheese and put up posters and let people make their own decisions. After all, if they truly have a reason to feel guilty, it'll catch up with them when they die.

Not everyone can be vegan. Your beliefs do not trump those of anyone else. Being hostile isn't going to do a bit of good.

End of story.

There is no essential nutrient for humans found in animal flesh that can not be gotten from plant sources as part of a regular diet. If you are having a problem with exculding meat from your diet because of medical reasons then you could atleast give up dairy, eggs, honey, and all other animal products. Or do you get really sick when you take dairy away also. Well then you could still exclude those...or are the necessary too? Every little bit helps. It dosent make sense to advocate for animal rights or liberation and still enjoy food produced under horrible conditions. For the most part folks make a concious decision what to eat everyday...they have the choice to not eat animal products if they beleive animals have rights in some shape or form the it only logically follows that they would make a simple choice and if you live with ur parents, you obviously are able to stand up for you beliefs here why not to ur parents?


Sure there are lots of people who do care (lots that dont too) but a good number of those that care dont seem to care enough to make aditional lifestyle changes and continue to gain pleasure from animal products produced in harmful conditions.


Unless it purly a matter of survival then it is causeing suffering and death unnecessarily. And yes Ive got a problem with that. If you have to take life to prevent your own death then go ahead, its a pretty natural and understandable thing to do but if you can gather enough nutrients and calories from plant sources then you dont need to hurt and kill animals.


No more than a three year old that accidentally shoots someone with what it thinks is a toy (keep your guns out of childrens reach folks)
Lions lack the ability to reason morally and weight the bad effects of their actions against the benifits. Also they hunt and kill out of instict and for survival.



I dont really care much what folks beleive as long as those beleifs dont result in unnecessary suffering. When your belief causes an innocent animal to be abused or killed then the animals rights to trump your "right" to eat animal flesh. This isnt a nice clean battle of ideas. Some of these ideas leave billions dead.

Cows are not "tortured" for milk unless the owner is a jackass. Chickens are not "strung out on speed" for eggs unless, as I said earlier, the owner is a jackass. And for your information my familly is buying free range chicken eggs now. You're free to your to think whatever you want to think but please do not force your beliefs onto others.