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Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 6:10 pm
Stop killing children and ruining their lives, teens have no rights to make someone else suffer for their mistakes. Some teens are so irresponsible; they?d go and have a child when they can?t even take care of themselves yet. So I do not support teen pregnancy and don?t think it?s a good thing. I know that there are other people who support my argument and some people who don?t. But I believe that everyone believes in what they believe in for a reason. So I?ll respect that but everyone should have an open mind and try to view a situation at another angle. Also if there?s anytime that you find something that sounds reasonable for you to support, support it, no one said that you have to support a belief for your whole life.
First of all, let?s look at the situation a teen is in right now. No car, no house, doesn?t have a profession (working at a fast-food restaurant is not a professional job and etc...). Or a proper education yet, yes they could finish high school with the child but chances are very slim, because less than 1/3 of teen mothers do receive a high school diploma. So in other words, a teenager isn?t stable enough to support a family as of yet. That?s one of the many other main components towards why teenagers shouldn?t have kids yet.
Secondly, lets look at the position the child of a particular teenage mother is in. A pregnant teenager could abort the baby and go on with her life. But by doing this she is practically taking away an innocent child?s life. Then she can always keep the child but chances are she?ll quit school because of all the pressure. So if the mother was to quit school and go to work to support the child, everything is going to be alright right? Well, it?s a pretty nice thought but wrong, there?s no way that a teenager without a high school diploma could support a family. You might be thinking, but there?s the father, right? Well the problem here is the girl and the guy isn?t married so he could just leave her irresponsibly. Also the girl is going to have to move out one day and how?s life going to be for her child from then on?
Finally, lets look at teenage pregnancy at the angle of the pregnant girl?s family. When a girl is pregnant her family has to bear a lot of shame including the girl herself. Then there?s all the scolding the girl would be receiving instead of congratulation presents. While the guys family, well nothing really happens in the guy?s family except the parents might tell the son good job son, you?re getting a BMW tomorrow. Then the guy?s family might throw a party so that the guy could invite his new-girlfriend over. All the shame of teenage pregnancy goes to the girl and her family. Now even though some families don?t care if their teenage daughter comes home pregnant, but it?s very rare. Like here?s an example, you?re a parent one day and your 14 year old daughter came home saying, ?Mom, dad my boy friend got me pregnant and he?s busy mashing on some other chick now, is that ok?? What would your reaction be?
Discuss arrow the different treatments and responsiblities each gender have towards the kid or don't have. or whatever that comes to your mind, lol.
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 7:16 pm
Not to turn this into an abortion thread, but I feel that in teenage pregnancy especially, the option to have an abortion is paramount. You think that if a teenage mother had an abortion, she'd be "taking away an innocent child's life"--I see it as giving her future children a better life. She could have an abortion and continue on with her life, finish high school, get a diploma, and do whatever else she'd like with her life. Start a career, etc. Then her future children will ahve a stable and supportive home. I think it's abuse to keep a child that is not welcome and that will not have a good, happy, healthy life.
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 10:02 pm
Abortion seems to me to be the best choice of action in the event of team pregnancy. However if they decide to let the baby develop then both parties should be equally responsible for raising it.
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Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:07 pm
Omnileech Abortion seems to me to be the best choice of action in the event of team pregnancy. However if they decide to let the baby develop then both parties should be equally responsible for raising it. I see abortion only as a last resort. I would really really really love it if schools actually talked about contraception instead of this bile about "abstinence". I'm going through it right now, and our teacher has slides saying stuff like "abstinence prevents rape", "abstinence prevents teen pregnancy", "abstinence builds good character", "abstinence helps delay gratification" (that concept of delayed gratification is pounded into our heads continuosly.) The system is not going to work, and my best solution for the problem is for parents to buy condoms for their children and not have long gruelling conversations about "good choices" and "bad choices", which is not practical and only distances the child. If push comes to shove, I'd say have the girl go to someone she can trust and talk it over, because usually teens in that situation have no idea what to do with their lives, the decision to have an abortion can mess their whole lives up, and the decision to not have an abortion can also mess their whole lives up. If a child is born, and the couple decide to keep it, the first thing parents should do is offer help in raising the child, before the "how irresponsible you are!" lecture.
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Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 11:22 pm
L eondra I see abortion only as a last resort. I would really really really love it if schools actually talked about contraception instead of this bile about "abstinence". I'm going through it right now, and our teacher has slides saying stuff like "abstinence prevents rape", "abstinence prevents teen pregnancy", "abstinence builds good character", "abstinence helps delay gratification" (that concept of delayed gratification is pounded into our heads continuosly.) The system is not going to work, and my best solution for the problem is for parents to buy condoms for their children and not have long gruelling conversations about "good choices" and "bad choices", which is not practical and only distances the child... I couldn't agree with you more--the abstinance-only education is the biggest problem as far as teen pregnancies are concerned; people just have these idealist and unrealistic expectations of others, and that includes the expectation that teens shouldn't have sex. Well believe it or not, they're going to, so might as well make the best out of the situation.
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 5:36 pm
While education sorely needs fixing I'm also concerned with parents having a burden forced onto them. If a teen gets pregnant the parents will probably be the ones raising the child that they didn't ask for nor probably want. I think it is a tad bit unfair to them to have something forced on them like that.
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 6:10 pm
While I do agree with you, Omnileech, I think the parents have some responsibility anyway. Since schools are obviously not doing it, I think parents should be the ones to teach their kids about sex and the consequences. There are still kids that, even after sitting through a health class, don't understand what can happen after they have sex.
There are boys I know who are stupid enough to think "more condoms = better" instead of realizing that condoms are made for you to only wear one. I do not have sex with boys, (well, I might some day, but I don't see it happening any time soon, but that's beside the point) but, for a few reasons, I understand birth control better than most straight people in my school.
First, my mom is a labor and delivery nurse, so when we found out I was having a little brother at age two and a half, she gave me an illustrated book about having babies. It didn't talk about sex exactly, it was the "when a mommy and daddy love each other very much" abridged version, but it did explain the baby growing in the uterus. We went all over it again when I was four and a half and my brother was two when my sister was born. Then when we got old enough to understand the mechanics of sex involved in baby making, we were taught that. Then we were taught all the emotional and relationship things, and why I should not have sex until I'm ready, and that I wouldn't be ready for a long time.
My mom taught me all of these things before I ever had a sex ed class (which was in seventh grade) I already knew all about hetero-sex. I already knew all about pregnancy, birth contro, and STDs, and much more about the female body (MY body) than they ever taught in school.
Sorry I got kind of off topic there and kind of ranty. The point is, I'm not getting pregnant any time soon, and wouldn't be even if I was having sex with a boy, because my mom taught me all about sex all through my childhood that was congruent with my maturity level. I don't know anybody else who actually had that. I was mostly the one who taught other kids actual information about sex to counteract what they were getting from the media, their older siblings, and the idiot kids on the bus. Even though we don't have abstinance only sex ed at my school, I don't think they talk about it early enough. Nobody wants to admit that children are sexual, but they are, and they learn a lot of misinformation from a very young age. Teen pregnancy would be a much smaller problem if parents would get involved in their children's education.
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 6:30 pm
I was taught from a very young age what sex was, not the "mechanics", but a "how are babies born" book was there when I was learning to read. Then, at age 11, when some questions which I didn't want to ask my mother arose, I started reading harlequin novels (hey-they do have a purpose!) They're crap, but they teach you a lot when you have no idea what actually is going on in the act.
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 6:33 pm
I do not see where I am disagreering with you guys. I never was much interested in sex so I didn't learn the mechanics of it until high school health class. I agree that it is the responsibility of the parent to teach kids about it but I'm saying that it is unfair for the parents to have to raise a new baby because their teen children did not use protection.
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 6:40 pm
Omnileech I do not see where I am disagreering with you guys. I never was much interested in sex so I didn't learn the mechanics of it until high school health class. I agree that it is the responsibility of the parent to teach kids about it but I'm saying that it is unfair for the parents to have to raise a new baby because their teen children did not use protection. Maybe. I don't see alternatives (I've been saying that a lot lately, haven't I?)
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 8:13 pm
Sorry, I got distracted with some music for long enough that I was logged out... sweatdrop
Anyway, what I mean is, if the parents have not taught their children sufficiently, they have a responsibility to at least help take care of their teenager's child. I don't mean they should take care of it without the help of their teenager, but I do think that they need to help, because teenagers are not generally good parents, and would really need some assistance, especially if they intend to stay in school.
At the very least, they should help their teenager decide what to do with the baby without pressuring them one way or the other. If the parents make their teenager keep the baby, by threatening to pull support if they don't, or taking away college tuition, or something like that, then they should definitely more than just help take care of it.
Look at how gender neutral I was being. xd Most of those would usually be "daughter" instead of "teenager," but if a teenaged boy fathers a baby, I think he should take care of the baby too, and his parents should help as much as hers, or more if hers are not helping.
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Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 4:57 am
I don't think that a teenage mother should keep the child. She should either abort it, or if she so chooses go to term and put the baby up for adoption. But no one should force her to opt for adoption. There is an extremely slim chance that the father is going to stick around once the baby is born. He almost never does. Most teen mothers don't graduate high school and even less go on to college and graduate there. By not having the child the mother is doing a favor to herself and her future children if she has any.
I think the schools and parents are to blame for the huge amount of teen pregancies. Advocating abstinence sounds great. But, teens are still going to have sex. If all they've been told is, "don't have sex until you're married," how will they know how to use birth control? Or protect themselves from STDs?
Also, I find that schools,at least mine anyway, don't focus enough on telling that sex between same-gender persons can also lead to consequences. You never hear them talk about how you should use protection in those situations. I think that would definatly decrease the number of STDs.
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Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 8:00 am
vegan_chica I don't think that a teenage mother should keep the child. She should either abort it, or if she so chooses go to term and put the baby up for adoption. But no one should force her to opt for adoption. There is an extremely slim chance that the father is going to stick around once the baby is born. He almost never does. Most teen mothers don't graduate high school and even less go on to college and graduate there. By not having the child the mother is doing a favor to herself and her future children if she has any. I think that a pregnant teen needs counseling and support more than she needs people telling her what to do. Which is why I believe in information rather than obedience. I think that she should be presented with all the information possible and then she should decide. A baby changes everything, but an abortion may do that as well. (I know this isn't much help but the book Listen Up!: Voices from the Next Feminist Generation has one such story.) I don't think a person is doing herself a "favor" if she blindly goes and has an abortion. A pregnancy is still a responsibility to be thought of, hopefully before you get pregnant. Quote: I think the schools and parents are to blame for the huge amount of teen pregancies. Advocating abstinence sounds great. But, teens are still going to have sex. If all they've been told is, "don't have sex until you're married," how will they know how to use birth control? Or protect themselves from STDs? It doesn't help, but we had people from a teen clinic come to talk to us about those things. Is that included in all health classes across the country? Probably not, but it's a start. Quote: Also, I find that schools,at least mine anyway, don't focus enough on telling that sex between same-gender persons can also lead to consequences. You never hear them talk about how you should use protection in those situations. I think that would definatly decrease the number of STDs. They don't want to ackgnowledge the fact that OMG! GAY PEOPLE HAVE SEX! it's not vaginal sex and they're not used to it, I guess.
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Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 5:51 pm
Yeah, we had Planned Parenthood come to our health class and talk about safer sex. I was really tempted to ask them about what to do if you have gaysex, but then I decided it would be better to not get kicked out of class.
That, and gay youth service providers are much better at telling lgbt people about protection than "straight" organizations are about telling their kids. I learned very little in that health class that I didn't/couldn't have learned somewhere else easier.
Also, in health class, they don't teach us nearly enough about women's bodies. Have you ever heard a health teacher explain what a "clitoris" is? Probably not. Most girls I know cannot draw a labeled diagram of their genitalia, and I find that really distressing.
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Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 6:45 pm
We had some clinic come in, again,a nd they actually ahd models to show us how a cervical exam is done and how to insert various contraceptives. They weren't embarrassed to name the parts, which was refreshing, but we didn't talk about the clitoris.
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