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Sabin Lionheart
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 9:52 am


Well, felt the need to make this thread.

I, Sabin Lionheart, owner of both an Angelic Sash AND Devil tail, as well as two OMGs and both scarves, am sick of the inflation on them. Yes, my items are now worth tons of gold. Yes, I am considered uber rich. Yes, I earned these items through good old fashion hard work.

My issue? I don't find it fair that just about anyone who was questing for almost any 03 items basically has no chance in hell now of ever getting them lest somebody donates to them or they happen to be incredibly artisic.

I donated for my Angelic Sash in 03, and worked my way to a devil tail in 04. I have been around Gaia longer than about 95% of the rest of active gaians. I love this site, and value it's users.

However, I am sickened that because of my items I am placed on some sort of pedistal, this heirarchy of Gaia status. I want everyone to have access to a devil tail or miniwings, bunny slippers etc. I don't find it fair at all that people who start now have no chance of ever getting them, and frankly, I'd like to see a change.

Many people blame the G.C.G. , and I'll comment on my feelings about that. Oh, and this next paragraph is MY view and mine alone, not the view of SIN or any of it's staffers.

Honestly, I don't feel the G.C.G. should be used simply because it's the basis of one user's view of the exchange. I do have to say that while I don't necessarily mistrust Alexi, I do find there to be a large conflict of interests in one person running a price guide. I mean, that is a very, VERY easy thing to manipulate, having one person control all the values. I'm not saying he/she is purposely raising prices, but I do think it's wrong that he/she does this on his/her own, and that's not speaking as a Price Guide staffer, that's me speaking as an exchanger. BUT, I do not place much of the blame on the G.C.G.

Now then, to the real issue at heart. The exchange whores. These are the people who contribute mostly to this nutty inflation. My main question, just what are they saving for? You see these people with 6 pairs of minis or 13 pairs of headphones and you have to wonder just how much of the pie do they need to eat before they get sick? Why aren't people just selling off those items? Would it be so wrong to sell off one of your 17 devil tails for 1 million gold instead of four? I know I'm gonna hear about this.

"Oh stop whining and work for it"

Work for what? Why should Gaia be about work? Last time I check, Gaia was about fun.

"I worked hard for mine, why shouldn't everyone else?"

Because that's a selfish and egotisical viewpoint. I'm glad some people can go on the vend 8 hours a day and make tons. Not all of us have that option, and frankly, spending that much time on the vend is bad for your health and social life, TRUST me I know. It took me almost a year to get my devil tail. I can honestly say that if they started selling every 03 donation and event item in the shop, even for like 200,000 a pop I would not be upset at all. It's about time something was done.

"Well hey, they're just items."

True, but aren't the items one of the main defining features of this site? Would we even be here if we couldn't create and play around with our nifty avatars? Aren't there tons of more forum sites that we could go to?

"STFU U are such a noob!"

Bite me. I am really sick and tired that every time someone complains about the price rises in Q and F or the exchange all the rich a** elitisdts with headphones, devil tails, and chickies go in their threads and yell at them.

The problem is, none of those gaians who are multi millionaires remember what it was like to be new, starting out with 500 gold and nowhere to go up but slowly up. Most of the rich exchangers seem to think that getting an 03 item now is no more difficult than it was a year ago, and thusly they treat everyone who is upset about it like crap.

"But people like Alexi and Jagr made millions on that exchange whore contest and they started with empty accounts"

Yes, and they also don't have a problem with buying oct 03 letters off the vend for 1 gold because some poor sap placed commas in their buy now price. So then, someone who probably was trying to sell a D-tail for 1.5 million lost exactly that much gold by a simple, and human accident. Maybe I'm wrong, but there is something horrid about someone losing such a rare item because of a simple mistake, and shouldn't it be a vendor responsiblity (Especially an extremely rich vendor) to realize that it was a mistake and give it back?

"No, because the rules state that it's your own fault if you screw up and so sad too bad blah blah blah"

Whatever. You know, 03 was a nice time for Gaia. People gave each other items like headphones and d-tail at the drop of a hat. 04 showed the propensity for Gaian greed, and 05 is looking worse by the day.

Well, I know it's unlikely I'll get flamed by this guild's members, but in any case I am ready to hear opnions, and want to see how others feel.

Once again though, I would like to reinerate one very important point.

I have a devil tail, sash, two omgs and two NM scarves.

I want their values to drop (Or be more acessable), that's right, drop. Even though I may end up selling my tail.

Thanks for hearing me out.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 10:36 am


I really hate how exchange whores make the same threads over and over again, never selling their items until they really get someone to completely overpay the normal price-- and then all of a sudden the "price jumped". I can't wait to hear an EW who causes inflation say something like "oh why does inflation make my quest so slow", so I can just.. smack them.

I hate when people "quest" for big items, ask for donations, RECEIVE donations, then turn around and resell the item for profit-- then quest again. It is pretty bad. I've become disgusted with 03 items, and quite frankly, I wouldn't buy anymore of them even if I had enough gold. There is inflation, then there is false inflation.

I also find it rather funny how... for example, someone bought a Jan letter when they were 10k or so, now they're selling it for 80k+, and tell people to "work for it". You didn't WORK for inflation. You worked for 10k, and are now making an easy 70k profit. That's what I hate.

I'm actually happy to say the biggest profit I ever made was 10k off a November letter. xp I agree with you Sabin.

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Mako18

PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 1:23 pm


*is an exchange whore who buys/sells items for profit, uses inflation to make gold, and believes that the Gaian economy is based on the inflation of hard to find items and only people that "work" for it (or use entreprenurial [spelling???] methods to earn extra gold) are entitled to them*
Don't hurt me gonk

I dunno about this issue against inflation. Item value will go up on items like the '03s and the good '04s (namely June) because of 2 key factors:
-people really like the items and are willing to pay that much (which is what defines an item's value, does it not?)
-there are a limited amount of them in a growing population of new Gaians (Supply and Demand take great effect here)

Besides, how many items on Gaia are that expensive? 20-30 out of the hundreds if not thousands of items on Gaia? There are other items people can pay for, not just the '03 Donation Items 3nodding

I'm not about to type as much as Sabin did on this subject...so there's my 2 cents xd
PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 4:10 pm


Mako18
*is an exchange whore who buys/sells items for profit, uses inflation to make gold, and believes that the Gaian economy is based on the inflation of hard to find items and only people that "work" for it (or use entreprenurial [spelling???] methods to earn extra gold) are entitled to them*
Don't hurt me gonk

I dunno about this issue against inflation. Item value will go up on items like the '03s and the good '04s (namely June) because of 2 key factors:
-people really like the items and are willing to pay that much (which is what defines an item's value, does it not?)
-there are a limited amount of them in a growing population of new Gaians (Supply and Demand take great effect here)

Besides, how many items on Gaia are that expensive? 20-30 out of the hundreds if not thousands of items on Gaia? There are other items people can pay for, not just the '03 Donation Items 3nodding

I'm not about to type as much as Sabin did on this subject...so there's my 2 cents xd


I'll only comment on the "Liking" of the items.

It's exactly what Fel said. There is inflation, and then there is articficial inflation. Someone buying up 15 - 20 OMGS (Which some exchangers have bragged about) is not doing it because they want the items, but because they want to milk them. besides, inflation only grows. Two years from now when people are first joining gaia and can't get and 03, 04, and probably 05 items are screwed. It's a system based solely on how long you've been here or how much time you can spend exchaning in a day. I was an exchange whore. A damn good one too, but I am glad I was able to step away.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 4:37 pm


The Really Fast rise in the Dec 03s really made me go "Holy Crap" - XD I remember when I sold a Nitemare scarf for 2k, when I bought an OMG for 4k. when prices of the middle items go up that high, I dont see it as much of a problem of "supply and demand" such as the older older ones are. are there really so few Nitemare/Angelic scarf's that people have to charge 400k suddenly for it? Like sabin said, the majority of the older donation items are no longer going to people who actually want the items, but people who want to raise the price of them. When I was questing for Minis, and finally reached an acceptable offer for them, it took around a month to find a seller, because certain people were buying them, and then selling them higher, again and again and again. I was really frusterated because I actually wanted that item, it wasn't for profit, it was because I liked the item.

The only item I miss I had to give up was my AFK, and now I feel like I dont have much of a chance to get it back since I dont have the heart to exchange anymore.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 5:10 pm


Mm.. *read all the posts*

I don't think I can fully understand some aspects of the Exchange like others can, mainly because I have never exchanged one deal in my Gaian life. xp I just update the SIN; play on numbers, notice trends and whatnot, and act from there. And heck, I am not even that great a staffer compared to other guides' workers, so any feedback I give on exchanging is often very callow, in my own eyes.

I think I'll fade from this showing of great Exchange masses, but I'll just say that I have been hoping for limited items to be re-released in the stores for quite some time now. I just want a set price on things; like others have noticed, the oldbies have most control in the Exchange.. The administrators creating mock versions of older items in the form of new donation letters is only a temporary solution, and something definitely needs to be done to settle users' rattling cravings for impossibly-out of reach, expensive items.

And as to the GCG? Personally, I haven't seen any updates there which aren't recorded in other guides.. I could definitely see how one could be suspicious of a one-man governed guide (actually, doesn't the GCG have staffers now?), but I think too many people call into question the authenticity of his prices and not enough time is spent just watching how and what is being updated. I mean, while Kalec and I disagree on certain "things", I generally trust him enough to not manipulate prices, despite our conflict. I guess some don't have that trust established or whatever, so I'll let people hold their own. But it's unlikely any manipulation is going on, from what I've personally seen.

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Mako18

PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:11 pm


In real life, collectable items are not re-released to satisfy demand, they're left to increase in price and make them worth collecting 3nodding
PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 9:26 pm


Mako18
In real life, collectable items are not re-released to satisfy demand, they're left to increase in price and make them worth collecting 3nodding


Right, but should Gaia mimic real life? In real life we pay taxes. Should we be paying taxes on Gaia? Gaia is supposed to be a fun escape, and the arguement that Gaia mimics the real world has always aggrivated me. If real world inflation were like this, and this easy to manipulate, 99.9% of us would have died long ago from starvation. There is absolutely no good reason not to release older items. Yes, it would bother oh, maybe 10,000 gaians. (That's being generous too.) But how many more would be thrilled with it?

Sabin Lionheart
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Mako18

PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 4:32 am


Sabin Lionheart
Mako18
In real life, collectable items are not re-released to satisfy demand, they're left to increase in price and make them worth collecting 3nodding


Right, but should Gaia mimic real life? In real life we pay taxes. Should we be paying taxes on Gaia? Gaia is supposed to be a fun escape, and the arguement that Gaia mimics the real world has always aggrivated me. If real world inflation were like this, and this easy to manipulate, 99.9% of us would have died long ago from starvation. There is absolutely no good reason not to release older items. Yes, it would bother oh, maybe 10,000 gaians. (That's being generous too.) But how many more would be thrilled with it?

very true I suppose, but having an item that much easier to obtain takes out the fun of it for most questers
PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 9:43 am


Mako18
Sabin Lionheart
Mako18
In real life, collectable items are not re-released to satisfy demand, they're left to increase in price and make them worth collecting 3nodding


Right, but should Gaia mimic real life? In real life we pay taxes. Should we be paying taxes on Gaia? Gaia is supposed to be a fun escape, and the arguement that Gaia mimics the real world has always aggrivated me. If real world inflation were like this, and this easy to manipulate, 99.9% of us would have died long ago from starvation. There is absolutely no good reason not to release older items. Yes, it would bother oh, maybe 10,000 gaians. (That's being generous too.) But how many more would be thrilled with it?

very true I suppose, but having an item that much easier to obtain takes out the fun of it for most questers


Re-Realesing an item is unfair to the gaians who actually worked for it, like I did...I worked to get my NM scarf, and my Angelic scarf, I worked to get my OMG and my demon horns, I worked to get all the items I didn't have when i joined.

If I would have known that they would re-release items, I wouldn't have payed 200K for my Angelic scarf, or 330K for my OMG.

It may not be fair to the people who are joining now that the exchange is going through inflation, but if we re-release items, it won't be fair to the people that WERE here before, and that did Shell out hard earned gold for it.

I don't think we should take 'pity' on the poorer gaians just because they cannot earn enough gold, or were not here when they were realesed.

Slayer1313


Mako18

PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 1:36 pm


Slayer1313
Mako18
Sabin Lionheart
Mako18
In real life, collectable items are not re-released to satisfy demand, they're left to increase in price and make them worth collecting 3nodding


Right, but should Gaia mimic real life? In real life we pay taxes. Should we be paying taxes on Gaia? Gaia is supposed to be a fun escape, and the arguement that Gaia mimics the real world has always aggrivated me. If real world inflation were like this, and this easy to manipulate, 99.9% of us would have died long ago from starvation. There is absolutely no good reason not to release older items. Yes, it would bother oh, maybe 10,000 gaians. (That's being generous too.) But how many more would be thrilled with it?

very true I suppose, but having an item that much easier to obtain takes out the fun of it for most questers


Re-Realesing an item is unfair to the gaians who actually worked for it, like I did...I worked to get my NM scarf, and my Angelic scarf, I worked to get my OMG and my demon horns, I worked to get all the items I didn't have when i joined.

If I would have known that they would re-release items, I wouldn't have payed 200K for my Angelic scarf, or 330K for my OMG.

It may not be fair to the people who are joining now that the exchange is going through inflation, but if we re-release items, it won't be fair to the people that WERE here before, and that did Shell out hard earned gold for it.

I don't think we should take 'pity' on the poorer gaians just because they cannot earn enough gold, or were not here when they were realesed.

*agrees completely*
PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 5:08 am


Again however I reiterate,

That's pretty much a selfish mindset, concerned with only how you yourself had to work for it. I worked for this devil tail. Does that mean everyone else should have to? In my opinion, no. Also, you paid 200k for that scarf, and honestly, 200k is not insanely hard to make. But think about what it would take to start at nothing right now, and try working your way up to a devil tail, or an OMG, or even a nitemare scarf which are all going up to insane levels extremely fast. There is no ceiling to stop the prices from rising, especially with the rich users buying all the items purposely to make more money. (Which I find hysterical, because honestly, what can you really do with 40 million gold?)However there is a glass ceiling over most gaians earning capacity.

Maybe it is unfair to the gaians that worked for it. But then, it's unfair to people who win medals or fishing trophys and give it to their friends who sell them for tons of money. Not everything is fair.

And Mako, far as I know, not many people have fun questing. Just ask Fel what it was like questing for that panda. Hell, ask almost anyone how much "fun" the had questing. Spending hours and hours of your life questing for a few pixels, and then getting just within a reasonable offer range only to find that the item jumped so and so amount of gold is upseting. Sure when you finally gain the item it's great, but is it worth using up hours upon hours of your life? I don't believe so.

At a convention last year, Lazner gave away two red rose corsages to two gaians who came. That is a rerelease to begin with. Why it can't be done with all items, why all gaians can't be treated equally is what's really got me.

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Slayer1313

PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 9:35 am


I wouldn't mind them Re-Releasing DJ's or Ports (xDD Because I want them)

But even me right now, I'm dirt poor, I have been working off of 6K got the past 2 weeks for fishing, I may look rich, but I am not, and honestly this inflation isn't affecting me at all, I'm fine with the items I have, It would be great to get a devil tail, but I'm not ever going to get that much gold, so I just figure i won't get it, and work with the items I can afford.

Re-Release the items if you want Gaia, I honestly won't care, but from the gaians who WILL care, you could lose the bets members you have, the old members, who were there.

I have one more solution to this.

Re-Release the items, but maybe a different version of them, as in the OMFG, or the new Bags that you can get that look like the emo bags.

There are alternatives to releasingt he odler items, we just have to think of them.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 11:44 am


Inflation is kinda irritating, but I don't really care one way or another.

Questing, saving my money, actually gives me an incentive to post and talk to other people here on Gaia. Partly for the gold, and another reason is that I've re-made a lot of friends, made new ones, and got invited to about three new guilds within the past month.

I've worked for some of the items I have, but more often than not, I just shell out 5 dollars to get this months item. But I have my D-tail 'cause Marek pretty much gave it to me at discount. The OMG I'm wearing I bought for about 6K and gave to my boyfriend as a gift(he's letting me wear it and he has my ice gauntlet, kitty, and robo puppy.)

And I traded my NM Scarf for character art in my RP. My RP is far more important to me than any item on Gaia, and if I had the chance to get what I wanted for my RP, I'd probably trade every item in my inventory and walk around Gaia naked for however long I'll be on Gaia in the future.

Inflation does annoy me, but it doesn't concern me. I want some item, and I know I'm never going to get them. But I've heard that wanting is far more pleasing than having. I'm kinda glad in a way that those items are expensive. It's one of the many things that keeps me coming back to Gaia, that maybe, just maybe, I'll get those items one day. Through hard work, donation, or just pure dumb luck.

I'd be thrilled if they re-released items. But I know the fit people would throw over it to. If there was a huge uproar about re-releasing the G-pins, what do you think would happen if they re-released the Halo? Or The Bear hats? There would pretty much be Forum riots.

I'm not an exchange whore, but I'm aware of the economy and how valuable items are. There is no right or wrong answer to this whole thing. But like the meaning behind the "Nakie Day" event that I don't think ever happened, users should try and get back to the community aspect of this site and not just worry about the items.

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Slayer1313

PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 5:43 pm


Krissie
Inflation is kinda irritating, but I don't really care one way or another.

Questing, saving my money, actually gives me an incentive to post and talk to other people here on Gaia. Partly for the gold, and another reason is that I've re-made a lot of friends, made new ones, and got invited to about three new guilds within the past month.

I've worked for some of the items I have, but more often than not, I just shell out 5 dollars to get this months item. But I have my D-tail 'cause Marek pretty much gave it to me at discount. The OMG I'm wearing I bought for about 6K and gave to my boyfriend as a gift(he's letting me wear it and he has my ice gauntlet, kitty, and robo puppy.)

And I traded my NM Scarf for character art in my RP. My RP is far more important to me than any item on Gaia, and if I had the chance to get what I wanted for my RP, I'd probably trade every item in my inventory and walk around Gaia naked for however long I'll be on Gaia in the future.

Inflation does annoy me, but it doesn't concern me. I want some item, and I know I'm never going to get them. But I've heard that wanting is far more pleasing than having. I'm kinda glad in a way that those items are expensive. It's one of the many things that keeps me coming back to Gaia, that maybe, just maybe, I'll get those items one day. Through hard work, donation, or just pure dumb luck.

I'd be thrilled if they re-released items. But I know the fit people would throw over it to. If there was a huge uproar about re-releasing the G-pins, what do you think would happen if they re-released the Halo? Or The Bear hats? There would pretty much be Forum riots.

I'm not an exchange whore, but I'm aware of the economy and how valuable items are. There is no right or wrong answer to this whole thing. But like the meaning behind the "Nakie Day" event that I don't think ever happened, users should try and get back to the community aspect of this site and not just worry about the items.


I hate this inflation, Venders (ME and my friends) are getting blammed for this inflation, I happen to not be vending this month, so I have no part in it, but it's irritating having my friends be blammed for this.
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