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Should there be less compassion for illegal hispanics who enter our country than third world people of other countries who don't?
  Yes, they're coming here illegally and using up our resources!
  No, everyone who suffers in poverty deserves compassion regardless.
  Their entry, illegally, or legally is irrelevant to compassion. What matters is how much they need refuge.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 8:44 am


It seems as if Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, and other hispanics could not be more looked down on in America. Of course, for every race there are the jokes. White, black, hispanic, asian; everyone has jokes made about them. But this is about something a little more serious.

Many times I meet young women who are afraid of Mexican men (I live in the South where predominantly the hispanic immigrants are Mexican. There are others, of course. I myself am part Uruguayan. ).
I always wonder why? They say that they follow them around in grocery stores, and I have to laugh! Men of all races follow attractive girls around at the mall, or wherever in the hopes of getting up the nerve to talk to them. They seem to think that these young men will try to rape them or something! Yet people ignore that most rapists are white males, usually anywhere from teenage years to middle aged years. Many of them are also married with children! (you can find this on almost any website concerning rape and rape statistics in America.) Not that all of them are obviously...

And they could take into account that many young hispanic men come here alone, without their mothers, sisters, girlfriends, etc., live with other young men to save money, and like all young bachelors living together, will sometimes act up.

But the point is that people seem to be afraid of hispanics in general.

"They're taking our jobs!" Usually it's only the ones most Americans don't want to do, like construction! I'm aware that there are hispanics in nicer jobs and I don't want to insult anyone or encourage generalisations - I myself am hispanic! But there are many hispanics in construction because it pays more money than fast food, though it's harder work! Does this make them "dirtier," or "dumber" or "rougher" than people who work in fast food chains for less?

"They're taking our women!" Most white or black women I see with hispanic men were certainly not taken against their own will...

"They're using up our social security and tax money!" Where? You can't get welfare without a social security number and papers. If they have papers, that makes them legal so you'd be complaining about legal immigrants. And as for their children being in public schools and using up tax money, those who are illegal, are you going to tell me you have a problem with any child whose parents want them to be educated? (It's not as if enough money gets donated to education with Bush in Presidency anyway!)

I'd like to go even further. Many Americans seem to have a dislike for illegal hispanic immigrants because they view them as "simple, dirty, uneducated, and poor." Yet they have a lot of compassion for the third world class of African countries. Perhaps because the Africans are not crossing over to America illegally? Yes, I understand that.

But doesn't that show that Americans are perfectly comfortable sending money over, but when it comes down to hosting needy people in our country and letting them into our comfort zone, we get upset and a little bit...selfish?

I'd also like to add that for whatever resources they use up, they more than make up for it with the hard work they do in any field, whether construction, business, art, etc. I have seen personally how hard hispanics work in this country.

Just a collection of thoughts I thought would make an interesting topic for you to discuss.

So, discuss:

Illegal immigrants verses legal immigrants (they're all people who come here for a reason- just some have papers and some don't!)

The way hispanics are viewed versus the way other ethnic groups are viewed.

American fear of immigrants in general. Justified? Or no?
PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 10:07 am


Personally, I have experienced all walks
of life first hand. I have lived all over the
country and I have gotten the viewpoints
on topics from everywhere and/or been
through them.
A few years back, I lived in Las Vegas.
Where I lived, it was a gated community
with a big huge retainer wall around the
whole neighborhood and around every
yard.
The workers who were building everything
were illegal immigrants. I knew because I
actually befriended them and eventually asked
them.
These people didn't have a way to be tracked
for their jobs, etc. My mom told me that I should
be careful with my stuff, because I often left things
in our postage-stamp-sized yard. I asked her why
and she told me that she had heard of illegal
workers stealing things and then quitting their
jobs. I didn't believe her; I couldn't believe that
these nice guys could do such a thing.
One day, I got one of those Razor scooters
that were big at the time. It had cost me a lot
of money, $100-150, and I had saved up for it
with a $5 weekly allowance. I loved it.
Then one day, one of the workers kept saying
how nice my scooter was. Every time I had it
out, he would joke about someone stealing it
or something like that. I thought nothing of it.
Then one day I left it in our back yard.
I woke up the next morning and it was gone.
Also gone was the guy who had seemed
fascinated with it. I never saw him, or the
scooter, again.
A lot of people say that illegal workers are
often hired because they will do the dirty jobs
for less.
They say that legal citizens don't want these
jobs, so it's not a loss to anyone.
This is a load of crap.
I had a friend one time who was desperate for
a job. He went to construction places and all
the jobs like that. The people wouldn't hire him
however, as he was a legal worker, and illegal
workers had aso applied. The illegal workers
would work for less than minimum wage sometimes,
so they wouldn't hire my friend.
He said he'd work for lower than minimum
wage if he absolutely had to, but the employer
said that he wasn't going to risk the possible
legal problems that could arise. He said he'd
had legal workers do the same thing, only to
suddenly sue him because they weren't getting
minimum wage. He said illegal workers were
safer.
This kind of stuff makes people dislike
illegal immigrants. Then people see all
Mexicans as illegal immigrants and a
deep animosity is borne of it.

I, personally, don't have anything against
Mexicans or Puerto Ricans or what have you;
my parents work with a lot of legal
immigrants, and we are really good
friends with them.

It's the illegal immigrants that get my
goat sometimes, for the reasons stated
above.
I'm not stereotyping, I am just telling it
how it was for me.
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fabifly

PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 10:57 am


Snogging
Personally, I have experienced all walks
of life first hand. I have lived all over the
country and I have gotten the viewpoints
on topics from everywhere and/or been
through them.
A few years back, I lived in Las Vegas.
Where I lived, it was a gated community
with a big huge retainer wall around the
whole neighborhood and around every
yard.
The workers who were building everything
were illegal immigrants. I knew because I
actually befriended them and eventually asked
them.
These people didn't have a way to be tracked
for their jobs, etc. My mom told me that I should
be careful with my stuff, because I often left things
in our postage-stamp-sized yard. I asked her why
and she told me that she had heard of illegal
workers stealing things and then quitting their
jobs. I didn't believe her; I couldn't believe that
these nice guys could do such a thing.
One day, I got one of those Razor scooters
that were big at the time. It had cost me a lot
of money, $100-150, and I had saved up for it
with a $5 weekly allowance. I loved it.
Then one day, one of the workers kept saying
how nice my scooter was. Every time I had it
out, he would joke about someone stealing it
or something like that. I thought nothing of it.
Then one day I left it in our back yard.
I woke up the next morning and it was gone.
Also gone was the guy who had seemed
fascinated with it. I never saw him, or the
scooter, again.
A lot of people say that illegal workers are
often hired because they will do the dirty jobs
for less.
They say that legal citizens don't want these
jobs, so it's not a loss to anyone.
This is a load of crap.
I had a friend one time who was desperate for
a job. He went to construction places and all
the jobs like that. The people wouldn't hire him
however, as he was a legal worker, and illegal
workers had aso applied. The illegal workers
would work for less than minimum wage sometimes,
so they wouldn't hire my friend.
He said he'd work for lower than minimum
wage if he absolutely had to, but the employer
said that he wasn't going to risk the possible
legal problems that could arise. He said he'd
had legal workers do the same thing, only to
suddenly sue him because they weren't getting
minimum wage. He said illegal workers were
safer.
This kind of stuff makes people dislike
illegal immigrants. Then people see all
Mexicans as illegal immigrants and a
deep animosity is borne of it.

I, personally, don't have anything against
Mexicans or Puerto Ricans or what have you;
my parents work with a lot of legal
immigrants, and we are really good
friends with them.

It's the illegal immigrants that get my
goat sometimes, for the reasons stated
above.
I'm not stereotyping, I am just telling it
how it was for me.
heart Snogging


I understand. Many times, there are some illegal immigrants who make the others looks bad (like the one that stole your scooter.) And I understand about them making it hard to find a job. I didn't realize that they often work for less than minimum, though I think I heard that somewhere. That's horrible that they're desperate enough to do that.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 2:50 pm


I've never had a problem with those of hispanic culture, of course, I've practically never left my state/hometown.

And honestly, if white folks want jobs then they should work for them. Not blame the mexicans for being hard working citizens who want to provide for their families.
And the illegals; same goes for them. If they couldn't make a living in Mexico, why should I blame them for making a good life for themselves here?

Truthfully this all just boils down to America being too closed-minded. 3nodding

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 3:57 pm


I live way up north in Minnesota so its not too often that anything around here happens with illegal immigrants, probably because there are not many people worried about it. If I were to call it a "problem" it would only be a small one here in Minnesota, mostly in the Twin Cities where an occasional mass arrest takes place for that problem.

For my personal opinion I don't think people who decide to illegally access this country are dirty or dumb. In fact they have to be very smart and resourceful to gain access here. Especially if they have migrated from Mexico, the border between the USA and Mexico has its own little army to defend against such things. Its a shame Mexico loses a lot of its most resourceful citizens that way. So to sum it up I think people who access this country illegally are selfish and conniving. Even if someone came to the USA to work here just to send money back to their family that still shows a complete lack of respect for everyone else who immigrated to the USA legally, doing hours of paperwork which may have taken years, learning the english langauge so they could assimiliate to the culture. I do have a low opinion on the ethical choice of choosing to illegally access this country, but sadly people are only able to do so because of corrupt employers. So it is no one side's fault. A lot of people are equally to blame.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:16 pm


I've got three points I'd like to make.

First, a lot of these illegal immigrants are easily able to fake a social security card. Unless a company like 7-11 actually does check the numbers, most will accept this... also, they often don't want to reject the immigrants because they think that people will label them as discriminatory. And most of the time, especially in agriculture, they aren't even checked for ID and a SS card. It's just the company wanting to save some money and pay the illegal immigrants a lower wage.

Secondly, it's really not that difficult to get a visa, work here for a short four years, and gain citizenship. Seriously... have you ever heard of illegal immigrants making major contributions to our society? I haven't. Although this country was founded by people that were technically immigrants, there was no major, united civilization there willing to give them citizenship. Now that there is, why don't these illegal immigrants instead take the proper route?

And lastly, it doesn't matter if we're seemingly being incompassionate. Many people seem to pass up the fact that although these are people needing compassion and shelter, they are here illegally. It doesn't matter if they want to be here, they must come here the legal way if they want to stay. And seriously, the legal way isn't too hard. Are they not concerned that they are breaking the law, or are they just... lazy?

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