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Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 6:10 pm
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Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 7:38 pm
I wish I had been born a girl because it's true. Women are subjected to more hardships than men do either because of social stigma or some sort of harassment. I wish I had been a girl so I could go through things I wouldn't have gone through as a male. So many of my female friends go through discrimination, harassment because of looks and so much more and it's not fair. That said, I've faced hardships that men shouldn't have to face either. People expecting you to be free of "weak" emotions and it being not ok to cry. Being called useless because I'm not strong, being called a wimp because I'm not aggressive. Of course what women and men go through can often build character and I for one have a much easier time picking out decent women than I do finding decent men.
Despite minor differences between the two genders both men and women are about equal in my eyes. There are some things women are somehow better at such as being a translator and there are some things men are better at. It's not something big enough that I worry about.
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Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 8:25 pm
We're equal, but different. People have a tendency to fear and discriminate the different. Personally, if we're arguing the "whose been through more" argument, it all depends on the person, and a male who's been raped goes through as much trauma (and sometimes more) than a female. Women do get raped more often than men, though, so either shoudl be counted in such an argument. As for girls in school, The Washington Post answers this rather nicely. Online, characters or forum participants with female names get 25 times more malicious messages. Do women go through more? On average. I've seen men being discriminated against just as I've seen women discriminated against, fewer times, but it still happens, so I think your last question should be reworded. What's most infuriating, is that most girls are perfectly fine with being called "b***h" or "whore" or "slut" and even take it as a term of endearment from boys. Discrimination? No. Degrading? Only from my perspective, apparently. Census Bureau stats are always interesting.
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Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 11:12 pm
I've always believed that males and females are different for a reason. Each sex has traits that are slightly different from the other that help us all to coexist. I htink that people should stop being all "men are better than women " or "women are better than men" because we're all equal in that we're all different. We're all here together and we all have a niche, so we might as well get along.
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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 5:27 am
Men and women are equal but different.
In society today I do think women seem to have alot more to put up with than men. It's much more difficult for a woman to get a career as say, an engineer or architect, than it is for a man. Women go through much more pressure to look beautiful than men do. And if you look at it from the physical sense, women have alot more to go through than men. Pregnancy, giving birth, pms.... Before you say pms isn't that bad wait until you have to stay in bed and cannot move because you have extremely painful cramps.
I do think it's wrong for women to say that because they must go through much more that they are better than men. This isn't the case. If what we're working to acheive happens, the only differences between the genders will be personality traits and physical differences.
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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 9:52 am
Here's the thing, though, women only go through more than men a little more than half of the time and it depends on the person. Not all women get pregnant, not all women get PMS, and some women's periods are painless. To generalize about all women in that manner ignores the pains men go through as they grow up, and I do believe they go through some, I can't recollect what they are right now though.
On the other hand, as far as rape and sexual assuat go, women do get assualted and raped more often, but that doesn't mean that if you're debating this against someone you should automatically assume you've gone through more because you're a woman and he's a man.
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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 11:54 am
Yes, I feel we're all equal - and while men may be better at some things than women, and women may be better at some things than men, our society emphasizes the differences between men and women too much instead of focusing on the fact we are all human beings.
Men and women both face hardships, it's unfair to assume just because of somebody's sex they experience more difficulties. It really depends on the person, though as already mentioned, if you are a woman your likelyhood of being raped or sexually assaulted are higher.
Living as a biological female has allowed me to experience a lot of things, some which have made me stronger, some which have inevitabley ******** me up. Personally, one example that sticks out in my mind of when I have been discriminated against for being a woman is when a random idiot invaded my personal space, didn't get the idea when I politely told him to leave me alone, copped a feel, and acted like I was the one being rude for punching him in the face.
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Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 10:42 pm
i might be a boy, but as long as you respect me i will respect you equally, i just joined the guild btw
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 6:45 am
L eondra Here's the thing, though, women only go through more than men a little more than half of the time and it depends on the person. Not all women get pregnant, not all women get PMS, and some women's periods are painless. To generalize about all women in that manner ignores the pains men go through as they grow up, and I do believe they go through some, I can't recollect what they are right now though. On the other hand, as far as rape and sexual assuat go, women do get assualted and raped more often, but that doesn't mean that if you're debating this against someone you should automatically assume you've gone through more because you're a woman and he's a man. Yes, I know. But being female I'm bound to be a little biased. sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 8:05 pm
This argument goes way back. I think it was started by men who wanted to prove they were right for subjugating women. I remember reading about a time when scientists were saying the smarter sex has the bigger brain until they found out women had larger brains. Then wham, brain size has nothing to do with it. *shrugs* So yeah, a lot of it is very much political.
The other part is that it makes for a better read. Scientific papers proclaiming new evidence about the difference between the sexes will be more easily published than papers stressing the similarities. And believe me, there are way more similarities than differences.
Also that argument about who suffers more rings of being petty. We all suffer. Living is suffering and persevering. The fact that people still argue about it, shows just how petty we all are.
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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:37 am
saffiremouse ((Don't bash me, this is the first thread I've ever made on Gaia...eep)) Ok, to the topic. I've been pondering this for awhile... Why do males and females always argue over which of the sexes is better than the other? I mean, we're all equal aren't we? Men do it, because they like being on top. Women do it, because we're sick of being on the bottom. But really, it's because (I mentioned this in another post) our society is built on binaries. Masculine = Positive, Feminine = Negative. Not only that, but since the dawn of civilized time there have been various ideas on what each sex is capable of. Most of this comes from various sex/role theories. Afterall, the idea that women can think rationally is a new one, and it still has not caught on universally. For the longest time women were not permitted to exersize (actual exersize) or particapate in any type of sports. The idea was that we were far too fragile for such things. blah blah blah blah blah. saffiremouse It takes two to tango, as they say, man and woman are needed equally. The old saying "Girls rule, boys drool," really bothers me, because many young children learn that saying and some of them even believe it. Thing is, neither is better. Men and women argue over which sex is better but I don't know why....maybe it has to do with a superiority complex? Bingo, we have a winner. Like I said above. Men do it, because they like being on top, and they like it when everyone knows they are on top. Women do it because we're sick of being on the bottom. saffiremouse Anyway, we're not really all equal. I mean, some people are better at one thing that another person is. Men are better at women at certain things most of the time, and women are better at other things than men most of the time. It just depends on what you're talking about being better at. Everything has a value judgment placed on it. The trick is not to split everything up into binaries and separate the "good" from the "bad". saffiremouse Overall though, I think that we're all equally worthy only because you can't make a baby with just a male or a female, you need both. I suppose you could make a baby in a highly scientific lab, but how many of those are around? (plus, everyone drools, it's a bodily function) Ah, but you know, not so long ago it was generally held all through society (even in Science) that the men were the ones who actually make a baby, the women just carries it, but she really doesn't contribute anything. We were just the gardens for which the seed was planted. saffiremouse There's also the point of "Girls go through more than guys do" and "Guys go through more than girls do" which are stupid backing arguments for many debates about this. Thing is, we don't really know who goes through more or if either really does go through more until we've lived a full life of each sex, which is impossible. It depends on what we're talking about here. Men are more likely to contract genetic diseases/defects/illnesses. But women have a hormonal cycle that ******** them over monthly, and then finally when menopause rolls around you can say good bye to all the calcium in your bones. Women also bear the brunt of reproduction. And these are just biological things. Socially, women are discriminated against more than men are. There isn't a system working against men constantly. saffiremouse Finally, many women are discriminated against because of the fact that men are supposedly believed to be better than girls at almost everything it seems, which isn't true. I myslef was. I play trumpet, which isn't normally a women instrument, and I'm quite good, to say so. So they hold this "All-county" "All-district" "All-state" things where I live, where you try out on a particular piece of music for your instrument against all the other people signed up in your grade for your county/district/state. So anyway, there was one guy in particular who I thought was nice, and he is. His teacher, however, is another case. He also played trumpet, and takes private lessons from a male teacher, who when found out that his male trumpet playing student lost to a female trumpet playing teacher, he laughed. He laughed at the fact that a woman could beat a man at a "manly" instrument. It's unfair that woman are discrimanated against just becuase they were born female instead of male. Mind you, I'm not saying I'm the greatest trumpet player or that I've never lost to a guy(Because I have..kinda) I'm just saying that woman shouldn't be discriminated against just for being woman. Yep, it sucks a**. saffiremouse Um�that�s about all. So anyway, discuss� 1. Do you agree that we're both equal? we all are!2. Why do you think we're equal? 3. Times where you've been discriminated against for being a girl. 1. I think both sexes, and all genders are similar enough that we should NOT be treating them differently. 2. Because we're all people, and some of us shouldn't get the shitty end of the stick just because the other half of us says so. 3. Oh, lets see... I don't think I really want to go into this, it's just too depressing.
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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:14 pm
VisasMarr Ah, but you know, not so long ago it was generally held all through society (even in Science) that the men were the ones who actually make a baby, the women just carries it, but she really doesn't contribute anything. We were just the gardens for which the seed was planted. So wait, people thought we just "carried" babies? In what, flower sacks? So we didn't contribute anything even though we took care of them from birth, and carried them in ourselves for like 9 months, lol. Wow, atleast that shows that society has become a little more intelligent from days gone by.
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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 10:28 pm
saffiremouse VisasMarr Ah, but you know, not so long ago it was generally held all through society (even in Science) that the men were the ones who actually make a baby, the women just carries it, but she really doesn't contribute anything. We were just the gardens for which the seed was planted. So wait, people thought we just "carried" babies? In what, flower sacks? So we didn't contribute anything even though we took care of them from birth, and carried them in ourselves for like 9 months, lol. Wow, atleast that shows that society has become a little more intelligent from days gone by. Yep... Not only that, but for a long time there was only one "sex." Women were just some mutant/reject/invalid form of men. Not really an entire sex unto themselves. I'll try and dig up some of my notes on this stuff, it's all really interesting... and sick.
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 10:32 am
VisasMarr Yep... Not only that, but for a long time there was only one "sex." Women were just some mutant/reject/invalid form of men. Not really an entire sex unto themselves. I'll try and dig up some of my notes on this stuff, it's all really interesting... and sick. eek I never knew that...it's kinda disturbing. And I thought woman had it bad back 10-20 years ago. But to be considered a mutated form? That's just...disturbing...
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:08 pm
VisasMarr saffiremouse VisasMarr Ah, but you know, not so long ago it was generally held all through society (even in Science) that the men were the ones who actually make a baby, the women just carries it, but she really doesn't contribute anything. We were just the gardens for which the seed was planted. So wait, people thought we just "carried" babies? In what, flower sacks? So we didn't contribute anything even though we took care of them from birth, and carried them in ourselves for like 9 months, lol. Wow, atleast that shows that society has become a little more intelligent from days gone by. Yep... Not only that, but for a long time there was only one "sex." Women were just some mutant/reject/invalid form of men. Not really an entire sex unto themselves. I'll try and dig up some of my notes on this stuff, it's all really interesting... and sick. eek that's disturbing
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