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Can one engage in BDSM and still be a feminist?
  No - BDSM is degrading towards women and should be stopped.
  Yes - it is a woman's personal choice.
  Not sure.
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Certified Dyke

PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 5:24 am


BDSM is an overlapping abbreviation of bondage and discipline, dominance and submission, and sadism and masochism. BDSM can just be part of your sex life – while some others carry it into day-to-day living.

There are two basic conflicting feminist views about BDSM. One is that BDSM is degrading towards women and it should be stopped. The other is we should allow women to make their own choices in their personal lives.

Typically, men are usually doms and women are usually subs. However, there are also female dommes and male subs – and in lesbian/gay relationships – a female domme and female sub or a male dom and male sub. For clarification, a dom or domme acts as the dominant one in the relationship and the sub acts as the submissive one.

Many of the specific practices in BDSM are those which, if performed in neutral or nonsexual contexts, are widely considered unpleasant, undesirable, or abusive. For example, pain, physical restraint and servitude are traditionally inflicted on persons against their will and to their detriment. In BDSM, however, these activities are engaged in with the mutual consent of the participants, and typically for mutual enjoyment. Emphasis placed on safety and informed consent is also known as SSC, which stands for safe, sane, and consensual.

(If anybody would like to add more clarification my brief explanation of BDSM, feel free to do so. First discussion topic, so this may be a bit scattered.)

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- is the practice of BDSM detrimental to feminism?
- can one practice BDSM or a BDSM lifestyle and still be a feminist?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 5:40 am


Okay, I will add my feelings first.

I practice BDSM with my girlfriend. I am a sub and she is a domme. Personally, I believe it is a woman's choice to engage in BDSM with their partner. Our relationship (in regards to BDSM) in solely in the bedroom - but we have a "normal", healthy, loving, fulfilling relationship inside and outside of the bedroom and BDSM is a huge turn on for both of us.

Stereotypically, many male doms are misogynic. This can happen in any relationship, but I feel they are more drawn towards BDSM because of the nature of it. This does not mean all male doms are misogynic. Just like my relationship with my girlfriend, they can have a normal, healthy, loving and fulfilling relationship and engage in BDSM activities at the same time. As mentioned in the original post, there are also female dommes with male subs, female dommes and female subs, male dommes and male subs. BDSM is not limited to male dom / female sub relationships as generally depicted in pornography.

With this said, I believe is it very possible to be a feminist and practice BDSM, as well as have a great relationship. While there are misogynist men who practice BDSM, there are just as many more who don't.

While I don't agree with extremely violent or degrading pornography, I feel what I practice in my bedroom is my decision and it does not make me a "fake feminist" or I shoudl be looked down upon because of my sexual life.

Certified Dyke


Omnileech

Omnipresent Warlord

PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 8:29 am


Meh I don't see how a personal preference for what happens in the bedroom conflicts with feminism. Then again, my definition of feminism doesn't include matters in the bedroom.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 8:47 am


Little Miss Feminazi
Okay, I will add my feelings first.

I practice BDSM with my girlfriend. I am a sub and she is a domme. Personally, I believe it is a woman's choice to engage in BDSM with their partner. Our relationship (in regards to BDSM) in solely in the bedroom - but we have a "normal", healthy, loving, fulfilling relationship inside and outside of the bedroom and BDSM is a huge turn on for both of us.

Stereotypically, many male doms are misogynic. This can happen in any relationship, but I feel they are more drawn towards BDSM because of the nature of it. This does not mean all male doms are misogynic. Just like my relationship with my girlfriend, they can have a normal, healthy, loving and fulfilling relationship and engage in BDSM activities at the same time. As mentioned in the original post, there are also female dommes with male subs, female dommes and female subs, male dommes and male subs. BDSM is not limited to male dom / female sub relationships as generally depicted in pornography.

With this said, I believe is it very possible to be a feminist and practice BDSM, as well as have a great relationship. While there are misogynist men who practice BDSM, there are just as many more who don't.

While I don't agree with extremely violent or degrading pornography, I feel what I practice in my bedroom is my decision and it does not make me a "fake feminist" or I shoudl be looked down upon because of my sexual life.


can you explain bdsm in simple terms? sweatdrop

Swordmaster Korey


Chhaya Moon

PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:44 am


Seeing as how it really is no ones buisness what goes on in one's bedroom, I'd say you certainly can be a feminist while practing that sort of thing.

Don't feminists support a woman's sexual freedom? And by a woman enjoying herself by practicing BDSM she'd be gaining sexual freedom.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:30 pm


Kiari_San
can you explain bdsm in simple terms? sweatdrop


Here is a wikipedia article on BDSM.

I think that women can practice BDSM and still be a feminist because feminism is about the choice to live your life as you want to. It is just like a woman can be a housewife and still be a feminist, because it is her choice. These things do not make her legally unequal to men.

emmirocks
Captain


User_1727463

PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:14 pm


I have conflicting views about BDSM. I see it as sort of like the porn issue for many feminists.

Personally, I think that you can be a feminist and be in a BDSM relationship, but based on observations and not statistics which I haven't found, those women and men tend to be rare.

I hear from people who participate in it that it is possible to have a fulfilling BDSM relationship, but it is also possible for things to go terribly wrong faster than in most other relationships.

I can also understand the dilemma some feminists face, because, whether the person likes it or not, they are technically being over-powered during sex, which in most feminist theories is a big hinderance to sexual liberation.

I don't know enough about BDSM, I know that it doesn't turn me on, but I am not canceling the idea that others can achieve a healthy and stable relationship through it. I know I would just watch out for any person who practices it, to make sure their relationships are the way they want them to be.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:15 pm


uh, no comments on the porn thing sweatdrop

Swordmaster Korey


emmirocks
Captain

PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:54 pm


In a lot of BDSM relationships, though, the bottom is as in charge as the top. As long as you know what you're doing, trust your partner, and have a safe word, you can be physically over-powered without being mentally overpowered.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 8:24 pm


emmirocks
In a lot of BDSM relationships, though, the bottom is as in charge as the top. As long as you know what you're doing, trust your partner, and have a safe word, you can be physically over-powered without being mentally overpowered.


Agreed. It's not like dom makes the sub do something s/he doesn't like. The sub doesn’t like fire play, there’s no fire play. Period.

Furthermore it's just sex. Neither person believes that the dom holds all power. It's only a problem if the dom starts believing they really own the sub and abuse him/her with malicious intent. When that happens it stops being BDSM and starts being spouse abuse.

LadyNox


Morluna

PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:10 pm


I don't think it should conflict with feminist concerns at all. It's your choice. Hell, if a woman has a rape fetish let her and her lover engage in a pretend "rape" while having sex. Some people get off to that. It doesn't mean she REALLY wants to be raped or enjoys being degraded by others. It's just a fetish or preference for sexual activities. I say, whatever.
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