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Shiama
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 1:16 am


Personally, I hate the idea of a abortion. Their are only a couple circumstances where I can see abortion as being "ok". One would be my mother's case, even though she was responsiable enough to make sur ehse couldnt get pregnant, is if the mother would have a child their is a risk the mother could die, but still then it is up to the mother.

What are your views on abortion, and yes I know the big "plus" for it is rape, but please can we try to do more than just that?
PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 2:38 am


I'm not gonna lie to ya. But I'm for abortion. Now before the blows start coming, give me a reason to explain.

People have been asking the same age old question: "Is abortion murder?" Technically, it's not. It's a fetus, not yet a person. So therefore it's not a child yet.

If the fetus was about 8 months, then it would be considered under circumstances, if not exceptions, murder. It's also the woman's call if she wants to give up the baby. She isn't taking a life.

Ziddeth, say something!

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Shiama
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 4:54 pm


Still, you are taking away the chance of a life. I personally think tha tthat is wrong. and I can see what you are saying, but still.

Even if the mother doesnt want the child they could still bring it into the world and put them up for adoption for their are a lot of parents who want childen.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 9:46 pm


Abortion should be vrey limited. If the woman is too young/old to have a child and going through with the pregnacy would harm both the mother and child it should be the mother's choice. If the woman is old enough to take care of the child and just does not want the child, she should not be allowed to do so. She would be taking away a life that she chould raise greatly into the world. If it was rape then it should be up to the one baring the child. It may still be a fetus, but that is the whole start of all life in this world. It is wrong to try and go against it.

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chessiejo

PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 9:50 am


Margaret Sanger and the other early champions of abortion (even civil rights leader W.E.B. DuBois) envisioned this as a tactic for population control and "eugenics", following the pseudo-science of social darwinism.

these are the same influences behind much of the excesses of the Nazi party and Hitler, for comparison (yes i know this violates some ule about "discussion degenerates when you hear the name Hitler" or something, but it is necessayr here, it's historical).

many black leaders are alarmed that the emphasis seems to be on weeding out poor minority children.

you will find most of the "pro choice' support in the wealthier classes, by the way.

so there are serious human rights and classism issues here.
PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 4:50 am


I juat think abortion is wrong. Simple, just find a nice family tha would like your baby, and as soon as the baby is born, it goes to that family.

Neo the Grey


Shiama
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 3:54 pm


that seems like it would be kind of weird....to just have a baby and give it to one of your friends. just think how the child would feel when older.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 6:52 pm


I'm pro choice, as long as you're getting the abortion before you've been prenant three months.

What if the mother was raped? Do you honsetly think the mother would want that child? Of course not, that baby would only be a painful reminder of an injustice done to her.

Second, not every child gets adopted. Since most places have laws in place so that homosexuals can't adopt either makes the number even less. If you were to do a survey, the majourity of couples would rather have their own child then adopt in the first place. The only couples adopting these days are pretty much those who can't have their own. Even then, what with the whole, have another woman hold your baby, and sperm donners and whatnot, even they could have their own baby.

Third, outlawing abortion would solve nothing. It would only encourage mothers to go to those grimey little back-alley "clinics" and get it done, endagering their own lives in the process. Why not save everyone the trouble and have professionals do it?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 7:52 pm


I honestly despise this topic. Not because I agree or disagree, or dislike debating (which I actually love), but because of what I would do. What I want is someone to make me stick to what I believe is right, which I'm going to put down. After that, I'm going to explain what I really would do...

What I want is for girls to have abortions only if they had no part in the making of the child. What I mean is rape. Or, as someone else mentioned, that the life of the mother would be in danger if she gave birth. I believe that the parents of the children should always know when their daughter is getting an abortion, unless there is a good reason for them to stay in the dark, such as an abuse issue in the home. If the girl is too young to raise the child and is unable to, adoption. There are a lot of couples who are unable to have children and you could give your baby a happy home with one of them. There are choices, open adoption and closed adoption (not sure on the terminology of the latter). You could certainly choose one of those instead of killing the fetus, which I believe is truely alive. Though it may not have the form of a being, it is still living and is in the process of becoming human.

What I would do... and I absolutely disgust myself with this answer... is secretly abort the baby if I felt unready to take care of it. If I got pregnant I would seriously consider aborting the baby because I'm sixteen and I wouldn't be able to endure carrying it, have everyone know about it, and then give it up. If the father and I weren't together, I would most likely abort without my mother knowing. It disgusts me to think that way, because I know now that I'm so immoral that I can't tell anyone else what to do. Whenever I think of what I would do, I disgust myself.

That's my standpoint.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:52 pm


And if you where to get pregnant at sixteen, if you weren't raped, then you personally shouldnt be able to have an abortion. it is your fault and you should have to take the responsability of what you did cause you just HAD to have sex. Whatever. i dont buy that bull crap, I dont but the sob stories of i didn't know what I was doing. You would know perfectly well.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:43 am


Shiama
And if you where to get pregnant at sixteen, if you weren't raped, then you personally shouldnt be able to have an abortion. it is your fault and you should have to take the responsability of what you did cause you just HAD to have sex. Whatever. i dont buy that bull crap, I dont but the sob stories of i didn't know what I was doing. You would know perfectly well.


Why not? I am taking responsiblity. For myself. I don't want this baby, and I'm not going to bring it into the world unwanted. It's not fair to me, nor the baby.

Yeah, so I made a mistake, now I have to let two people suffer for that?

It's like saying, well, we know the snake that bit you was poisonous, but we're not going to give you the antidote. Why? Well you were the one that was stupid enough to make the mistake of going near it. Better luck next time. ^_^

A sixteen year-old can't properly care for a baby, she shouldn't have to go through with the pregnancy just because she made a mistake. We all do it, no matter how majour or minor. She is taking responsibility, by making sure a baby isn't born into a family that doesn't want it.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:19 pm


SO because of your mistake you are going to take the life of one that would have a fresh start into the world?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 1:27 pm


Shiama
SO because of your mistake you are going to take the life of one that would have a fresh start into the world?


Fresh start or no, it's not a very good one.
Brought into a world the clearly doesn't want it, and a family that clearly doesn't love it? That's not fair to me, nor the baby.

Besides, the world's overpopulated as it is, now I'm only adding to the problem with another unwanted child, who will undoubtably grow up abused in a third rate orphanage? No, if I'm going to have a child, I'm going to make sure it's when I'm ready and able to take care of it.

So you would force a child to grow up in an unforgiving environment, when you're mentally unprepared for the responsibilities of a child? Is that fair to anyone?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 2:39 pm


You should bring the child into the world because then it has a chance at living, and you have to take responsability for YOUR mistakes. and Either way if you truely know you acnt handle the child but it in foster care or adoption because there are actually quite a few families that want a child but they cant have one or they are afraid to give birth.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 7:07 am


Shiama
You should bring the child into the world because then it has a chance at living, and you have to take responsability for YOUR mistakes. and Either way if you truely know you acnt handle the child but it in foster care or adoption because there are actually quite a few families that want a child but they cant have one or they are afraid to give birth.


See, that's the problem. There aren't a lot of families willing to adopt. That's why there are kids that actually grow up in orphanages, because there were no families willing to adopt them. Why? Because these days, it's more than easy to have a kid.
They can impregnate you through a scientifical procedure.
Can't give birth due to complications? Have your friend hold the baby for you! My mother has offered to hold my aunt's child, because she would be unable to should she ever get pregnant, so I know it can happen. Not only that, it's been done before.
Face it, it's getting easier and easier to have your own child. Even if you're single/homosexual/whatever, you can have your own kid. There aren't sperm/egg doners for nothing.

And again, I am taking responsibility for my mistakes. I'm making sure my child doesn't grow up in some shithole (please excuse my language) of an adoption agency. I'm making sure my child doesn't grow up with the mental angst of believing it's unwanted, a "mistake." That alone would tear anyone to shreds.
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