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 Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 8:28 am
Have you ever been to a farm? I have. It's disgusting. The floor is covered in manure and urine with no bedding at all. The animals are filthy. They can't turn around. While I was there I saw two dead calves just lying there on the floor, one being stepped on by the other cows.
Now let's push all the animal rights issues and the fact that these are living (or once-living) animals to the side. For a moment, let's pretend that there is nothing to stand in the way of us eating meat except for this fact:
It's damn unclean!
Discuss:
Previous experiences visiting farms of any kind
The poor dead calves
How farming could easily be improved
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Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 4:39 am
I've been to several farms, and the conditions were not anything like that.
I used to be friends with a girl whose family owned a farm. Every day she and her siblings were cleaning the barn. Yes, the cows piss all over the place, but the farmers clean it up. The cows are outside in a huge field most of the day, and if it's a cold or rainy night, they're in their stalls. They can turn around, if they want.
The other one was an even smaller farm, and they had one cow who had a whole field to herself, and the chickens (Laying hens and a rooster, not going to be eaten) were treated like beloved pets.
Even when they kept a pig (for the table...), until it was killed, it was a like a pet.
I know that not all farms are like the small ones in my region. But you should be aware that not all farms are like the ones you described.
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Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 3:18 pm
Ciel Avec Cafeine I've been to several farms, and the conditions were not anything like that. I used to be friends with a girl whose family owned a farm. Every day she and her siblings were cleaning the barn. Yes, the cows piss all over the place, but the farmers clean it up. The cows are outside in a huge field most of the day, and if it's a cold or rainy night, they're in their stalls. They can turn around, if they want. The other one was an even smaller farm, and they had one cow who had a whole field to herself, and the chickens (Laying hens and a rooster, not going to be eaten) were treated like beloved pets. Even when they kept a pig (for the table...), until it was killed, it was a like a pet. I know that not all farms are like the small ones in my region. But you should be aware that not all farms are like the ones you described. I would like to add that being a care taker to those animals is hard work and the work is never done. You cannot keep animals and their places clean, you can only keep them maintained. (Not really much to add to the topic but oh well) I have visited a few small farms also and the conditions were fine. I have worked on an animal refuge that included farm animals, pets, and wildlife. I don't know what happened to those calves you speak of but when there are a huge amount of animals like that something always happens. I have not been to a huge farm in my life but I would assume farming could0 be improved by keeping them small and keeping more employees to care for the animals. I have been stuck on that refuge of 500+ animals and being the only employee for the day. There are not enough mes to go around confused
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:36 pm
here is my philosophy-
if you dont want to hear about where it came from, dont eat it
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 8:43 am
um...there's a cow farm just 5 minutes from my house..a farm with horses down the street, and a guy who owns a couple of donkeys..they look perfectly healthy and i've been to some of them and the place is actually pretty clean. You should call the police and file a report on that place. There is no reason to own a farm were the animals can't even move, arnt kept clean, especially the two dead calves being there, one was crushed tells me that the place is to overcrowded which is a problem and could spread disease more quickly.
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 3:16 pm
There are tons of farms like the one crazy bannanna was talking about. Those are the large company farms. For example: KFC used to get their chicken from this one place. Guss what? They found out that the animals were stuffed in the small places where they could'nt even stand up! It was so that they could'nt move around, they could'nt burm calories, and thus, they would'nt have to feed them as much. Also, that means there is more room for more animals, so they make a ton of cash at the cost of those animal's lives! KFC is now getting their chicken from a humane farm now. But trust me, there are plenty of those I call, "Hell Farms".
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 3:14 pm
In some cases, corporations buy from farms that aren't in the US or Canada. That in itself makes me awfully suspicious. I mean, plenty of farms in the states and Canada have awful conditions, but we do have laws about animal cruelty. I don't know about some of the other countries...They're not enforced well enough HERE, let alone in some less developed country.
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 6:31 pm
small farms dont bother me in the least. my grandpa was a farmer, and my dad sometimes talks about the sweet pigs he grew up with and how they were like pets. big fams are a different matter. i became a vegetariana few months ago because of big cruel farms like these. i havn't eaten any fast food in over a year. is it not disgusting that in one mcdonalds hamburger, (i am quoting Supersize Me) there is meat from thousands of cows, from like, 4 continents?! if these big companies feed us, their customers, that junk, i can't imagine what they feed the poor animals they raise. i'm going off the subject. i have never been to a big farm. i've only ever driven past them. . for me, the best thing to do is to inform people about these gross farms and that the juicy steak they eat every other thursday comes from one of those hell holes and may contain chemicals that the animals are fed. the reason these corporations are able to do this is because of the demand for meat, and if people knew, they wouldnt eat it. i'm rambling again, but if everyone knew what went on in those places, the world would be vegetarian. these farms, they make me sick.
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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:09 pm
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:51 am
I acutally did eat sheep that I raised. They were over a year old when they were slaughtered, so of course they were only good for mutton. It was an interesting experience to enjoy the fruit of my labor though.
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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:38 pm
Let me preface this with -- I'm vegan. I think factory farms are disgusting, and many dairy farms are cruel to the cows, and those that aren't, it's still not fair to keep them pregnant all the time, and take their babies away, etc.
BUT...
I have been to many farms. I work at a horse barn. I have spent a great deal of my childhood at a dairy farm.
They were clean. There were no dead animals. Even though the babies WERE taken from the moms, the babies were well-loved and cared for, etc.
So not all are that bad. I know many that aren't.
I still won't eat meat or dairy or eggs though, thankyou.
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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:53 pm
I've been in a family friend's farm it wasn't anything like that the animals were in nice big stalls and fields not crowded and I even got to go in the piglet pen. 4laugh The only mean animal I can think of was a cow that hated kids. whee
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Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 9:17 am
That's factory farms you're talking about. Most small local farms are OK.
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:56 pm
I think if you're going to have a farm with animals in it, make a suitible farm.One with a lot space, it's clean, keep the animals healthy, and make sure there is pleanty of food.I mean if you really have to use the animals for food, then give them a nice home for their last part of their lives.Even if you "think" it's too much money to waste on an animal that will die soon, who cares!People all over the world do their best to comfort their loved one who are about to die, why can't you do it for the animals.
All in all I think to be a farmer you have to love animals, and care for them well.Because even though they're just "food", they're your pets.
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