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i notice that this guild has become more like a hang out area where mostly everyone knows eachother in one way or another, if not, have become to know one another in one way or another. well ,that nice, but i also notice there is a lot of spamming XD it was fun at first, until it took over the entire guild =[ i admit, im guilty to part of this... or most.... D=< least i made a thread for it, hence my bar =D
anyway, think it would be nice to have at least one discussion thread talking about more serious things, not serious like life and death tactics, lol, but you know, not spammy =P
discuss/debate/think of, say of, show-how-smart-you-are-by-making-a-point!!! just please, not so much spamming. comprende? =3

so lets get it on!! =D pun not intended

yes, so even if you think this is boring, if everything was spam... wheres the fun in that? =D so come here and post your thoughts of something great/rediculus/blah

so in this thread, lets try to keep the posts more than 5 words --_--;;; MORE than that even unless otherwise.

ok, to start things off, i wanna know what yall think about this.

fate? or decisions?

do you believe that everything is a fate? that everything is planned for you, and you just need to watch for signs and such? like if you were to meet the man/woman of your dreams in a flea market, and that was all planned out for you the whole time?

or decisions? everything you get is what you made?

which you do think would be easier? more profitable?

i hope this topic ends soon XD its lame and was just to start things off. but i also want to know what you people think. POST =3 and please dont sue gonk domokun

esta: that sounds reasonable and presentable =D shpank yuz

my opinion is a little opposing, cuz, i belive that everyone has their choices. true, predictions can be made, but can never really be accurate because of change and choices and possible interference.
yeah that pretty much says it all. "what you get, is what you make of it"
thats my say.


soooo, that was a little deep XD and i bet not even half of you wil read those long posts. but its much better than continuous spam =3 so, additions to this topic? or do you have a new one for discussion. anyone?

>_> i have never watched fruits basket, i didnt like the art style so i stayed away from it, i guess thats what ou call "judging a dvd by its cover" XD
ill pick it up next time then i see it.

youd be that traveler? being willing to sacrifice and give everything? are you doing that to make the person your giving to happy?
what if you give that person what they want, but if you do, it will make another not so happy/upset?
i guess you really cant please everyone if you think about it. but then again, its better than not pleasing or helping ANYONE at all. every little bit helps then? =]
o.o

Argh, can't take in all these in such a short time so i'll just put in my own stuff.

Any one of you read the X-Men? There was this big part somewhere in the comics, about 40 years ago, if i'm not wrong, called the Age of Apocalypse. Basically, it says that time is just a thread, being split up into many lines. So, if someone goes into the past and changes the past, the future is not changed, but instead a new line is made, being split out from the original. So, the past still goes on, but it does not replace the future. It just goes on a different track. So in some way, this is Destiny in the means of past. Your past is destined; you cant change it. But you can determine your own future.

Also, if there are any of you who watch the TV series of X, you notice that a big chunk of it is talking about destiny and fate. In the show, there are two Kamuis, each a Gemini, a twin, of the other. Therefore, one of them has to make choices. He either becomes the one who saves Earth, or destroys it for renewal, and the other twin will become his opposing side. From here, you can see, the believe is that Destiny is present in some way. Notice that only one of the twins get to choose his path. The other doesnt. So, in a way, it has some form of imagery that not all can choose his or her own destiny. Some of us are Fated to have our destiny chosen by others. Also, you can see that the choices are limited. It's either with Earth or against Earth. There's no other choice. Therefore, this is also like in life, when we cant change our future that way we want to due to limitations.

Regarding the Traveller thingy, no, I have to be honest I wont sacrifice anything to any stranger i see on the street. The only person I'll sacrifice everything for is the one person that I'm going to love and marry next time.

But frankly, I do belive in this. "We aim to please. Ourselves, mostly, but we do aim to please." In some way it's true. Examples. When somebody donates money to the poor, he does it because he feels good by doing so. Some donate because they dont want to feel guilt. When you love someone, you give your everything to him or her because you dont want to see your loved one sad. If they are sad, you'll feel worse. So, no matter how much you say you "do it for someone", ultimately, it's for yourself, no matter how you deny it.

Also, have any of you watched Onegai Teacher? There was this part which is the cliche "I know you like me but i don't know how to tell you that I don't stuff." If he chooses the person he loves then he'll be hurting her, but if he chooses her, then he'll be hurting himself. So it got me thinking, what if our choices can affect something which is in a much larger scale?

This leads to the Butterfly Theory. It is siad that if a butterfly flaps it wings at one corner of the Earth, it will result in a typhoon happening in the other. In short, all our small choices or movement matter. What we do may end up causing a difference in something else, be it big or small. Example. I saw this animation somewhere, in which a guy throws a rubbish a the road. A squirrel runs to catch it and it causes a car which was trying to avoid it to swerve and hit into a guy. Then a lorry knocks into the car and bounces off to hit a scyscraper. Then the scryscraper falls and cause a domino effect causing the rest of the buildings to fall and land into a neighbouring country. The neighbouring country thinks it to be an act of war and starts throwing missles at them. World War 3 starts. Then it's the end of the world.

It may not be as farfetched as that, but the logic is there. Also, there is the Chaos Theory. This theory states that no matter how sure you are that something might happen, there is always a small percentage that it will work another way. A perfect example is to drop a small droplet of water on your hand. You can predict the way it will fall off, but there is always the chance that it will drip in an other direction. It's Chaos. You can never be sure.

So, discussion.

This is the longest post I've made so far.

i can't stand typing another segment that long ><

theres always the good ol' "Who Am I"

:3 At first, you made everything to be the truth (just how you typed your words) just because of an example on the nonreality (comic, tv..) so I'm glad for the second half of your post. XD And, yay! You made a huge post... o_O I'm proud. And now i comment x3



That can be the case. It reminds me of what I recently read in RealLife Comics, how their time machine goes back in time, but if you go back in time, the future would change right? But how he explained it was that it creates an alternate universe, so whatever happens back there doesn't affect the present time. Basically opposite of what you're saying though... but similar.



I'll just say here... that that's how Clamp protrays it. Now it can be smiliar to what you believe, but I don't think of it like that.



That's fine. Like I said, it's just me. o_O And if you read before, I wrote that I wouldn't do that to strangers, it's just how the story of the Foolish Traveler goes. I'd do it with people I actually know. But I also believe there isn't anything you should sacrifice your own life for. I know how some people say "Oh, I'll die for my friends." That (which kind of refers to the next section of your post) is pretty much doing it for your own benefit, whether the person realizes it or not. In my opinion (now, this is all me so don't take me as facts xD like i sometimes do), if you were ready to die for your friends, how exactly do you think your friends feel? It's like saying "I wish I died instead of him (her)." C'mon... ~_~....



Reminds me of that Friends episode... Pheobe: "I will not let a baby be born into a world where Joey is right." (It's the one where Joey says every "kind" act is due for selfish reasons. Everyone is selfish in some kind of way.)

Okay, this is slightly opposing, slightly with what you're saying. I mean... I understand what you're getting at, or else... why else would people do those "charity" acts, eh eh eh? But, you seem to restrict it to only "making themselves feel good." I'ono, I think there are sometimes other reasons than that... I wish I didn't believe any of that to be true, but I slightly concur... Although, sometimes, I do acts or help my friends (like with homework) and end up feeling bad anyways. xD But I'm basically benefitting myself by using my friends, in a sense.

Heh, kind of wishy-washy there (good thing this isn't a debate or else I'd have to stick to one side).



1) I have not watched Onegai Teacher, but that probably wasn't your point.
2) I'll save this for the next passage:



I understand all this, but your example seems way too acute (or just happening all too fast) to seem plausible. Okay, fine, maybe it actually can make sense, like the Great Chicago Fire (all started from a baker's shop), but still... I believe it as more like what you do sets and becomes the base or support of the future. I REALLY don't want to go back to the Catcher and the Rye as an example... SO I WON'T. Basically I'm accepting the Butterfly Theory, but included that it takes a long while for the ripple effect.

In a clearer sense: I would do something, or you'd do something, and we can notice what effect it has on other people the day after, persay, or maybe a week... or even a year. But if someone wanted to go back in time (time machine again) and change the recent past, the effect could be predictable. But, he would also be affecting 50 years later which was basically also built on the action that I did. So... yeah.. @_@ one thing leads to another... leads to another... in a more chronic state, in my opinion.

Yeah, that was like a big DUH, so I dunno why I had to even type that.



xD I really have no comment on this one. But, that's what I've been doing, commenting on parts of your post! @_@ Sorry Piguren if it seems like I'm debating or something, gosh i really don't want to do that. Just.. discuss.. yeah... plus I need to get into this habit for English class anyways. XD


In FMA, Lust says that everyone asks "Where did I come from, and where am I going?" stare I wish to differ... people who are really happy with themselves never seem to ask this. xd