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 Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 8:37 pm
Now in the Bible it says to honor thy mother and father, but shouldn't I be able to break that if one of them is doing something that i know is wrong or just not right?
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 8:48 pm
The Ten Commandments aren't wholly endorsed by many Christians, due to Yeshua's sacrifice. I personally think that they make a great guideline for a Christian to live by, but there are only two Commandments in the New Covenant: Love YHWH and love your neighbor (also known as Agape or the Law(s) of Love). That is all you are truly bound to.
That said, how severe is what they are doing? Yeshua also said "render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s", meaning that you should honor the laws and taxes of the land (within the guidelines of the Law of Love). If they were breaking those laws then you would have the right (and possibly the responsibility) to report them.
I'd need more context for the situation in order to go into any further depth here, I'm afraid. ^.^
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 8:56 pm
Shatari The Ten Commandments aren't wholly endorsed by many Christians, due to Yeshua's sacrifice. I personally think that they make a great guideline for a Christian to live by, but there are only two Commandments in the New Covenant: Love YHWH and love your neighbor (also known as Agape or the Law(s) of Love). That is all you are truly bound to. That said, how severe is what they are doing? Yeshua also said "render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s", meaning that you should honor the laws and taxes of the land (within the guidelines of the Law of Love). If they were breaking those laws then you would have the right (and possibly the responsibility) to report them. I'd need more context for the situation in order to go into any further depth here, I'm afraid. ^.^ so........is it okay or not.......you kind of lost me there.
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:02 pm
specialkitty14 so........is it okay or not.......you kind of lost me there. It depends on the situation. If they kill/rape someone then you should certainly report them. If they jaywalk then it probably wouldn't be a good idea. You need to give a bit more context for me to say for sure. ^.^
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:04 pm
Well my dad treats me like a slave and is really lazy and it is not good for him he can hardly stand up and won't use his cane. He had knee surgery almost 10yrs ago.
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:13 pm
specialkitty14 Well my dad treats me like a slave and is really lazy and it is not good for him he can hardly stand up and won't use his cane. He had knee surgery almost 10yrs ago. Ah, I don't think you can do much for that other than grit your teeth and bear it. As long as he isn't pushing you beyond the limits set by the legal system you really can't justify very much rebellion, I'm afraid. As for his health, you can't do much for that either. At most all you can do is respectfully recommend that he exercise, but even so it is his decision and responsibility to care for himself so long as he is mentally competent and physically able.
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:22 pm
You don't understand he hasn't had a job for 10 yrs, and he always blame stuff on me he drinks and smokes and I am getting sick of it. He lies and steals my money and I have been pushed a little too far so don't I have the right to disobey him I mean I want to be good, but he should not call me every 5 seconds. That is why I hang out at my grandmas. It is the only place I can go because he has denied me freedom to see my friends because they are not black and sometimes he is just a complete racist and he told me not to get a white boyfriend or I was not going to prom so don't i have the right. I am suprised I haven't had a mental breakdown. My mom can't do anything she works ALL THE TIME! And there are other things he did that I just can't go into detail so if you want to know just PM me and I'll tell you.
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:26 pm
In my defense, none of this stuff was mentioned... specialkitty14 he hasn't had a job for 10 yrs, and he always blame stuff on me he drinks and smokes and I am getting sick of it. He lies and steals my money and I have been pushed a little too far so don't I have the right to disobey him I mean I want to be good, but he should not call me every 5 seconds. That is why I hang out at my grandmas. It is the only place I can go because he has denied me freedom to see my friends because they are not black and sometimes he is just a complete racist and he told me not to get a white boyfriend or I was not going to prom so don't i have the right. I am suprised I haven't had a mental breakdown. My mom can't do anything she works ALL THE TIME! And there are other things he did that I just can't go into detail so if you want to know just PM me and I'll tell you. If he's that bad then you should look into calling social services and being put into a foster home. It's really your only other option past toughing it out and avoiding him whenever you can, I'm afraid.
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:31 pm
Shatari In my defense, none of this stuff was mentioned... specialkitty14 he hasn't had a job for 10 yrs, and he always blame stuff on me he drinks and smokes and I am getting sick of it. He lies and steals my money and I have been pushed a little too far so don't I have the right to disobey him I mean I want to be good, but he should not call me every 5 seconds. That is why I hang out at my grandmas. It is the only place I can go because he has denied me freedom to see my friends because they are not black and sometimes he is just a complete racist and he told me not to get a white boyfriend or I was not going to prom so don't i have the right. I am suprised I haven't had a mental breakdown. My mom can't do anything she works ALL THE TIME! And there are other things he did that I just can't go into detail so if you want to know just PM me and I'll tell you. If he's that bad then you should look into calling social services and being put into a foster home. It's really your only other option past toughing it out and avoiding him whenever you can, I'm afraid. I AM NOT GOING INTO A FOSTER HOME! i mean i only have 3 yrs of highschool left and I will be gone to college. I can't wait for those days. so is it okay to disobey him and yeah I know not all the time but what about some of the situations
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:34 pm
specialkitty14 I AM NOT GOING INTO A FOSTER HOME! i mean i only have 3 yrs of highschool left and I will be gone to college. I can't wait for those days. so is it okay to disobey him and yeah I know not all the time but what about some of the situations As long as you can do it within accordance to Agape, I don't see any reason to think it's a bad thing. However, you will still have to face the consequences should your rebellious actions get you into trouble with him.
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 11:57 pm
Time for Light to Once again put in his two cents...ahem anyways I know this sounds werid and most of the time but have you tried prayer, and also Jesus said whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, this says to me if there doing something bad call them on it(let them know) depending on how bad it is you might want to call the police or however handles situations like the ones your facing, however as always pray to GOD for guidance strangth and the will to do the right thing, always always if your not sure talk to GOD about what your going to do, what you think you might do, and how he might help you.
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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 12:08 am
I knew I forgot something. "Pray to YHWH, etc, etc, etc." Sorry about that... ninja
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daviderentxun Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:28 pm
You must honor them and obey them, as long as they're not doing or telling you to do something that goes against God's principles. Why? Because just as the apostles said, "We ought to obey God rather than men" (Acts 5:29). It's like if your father told you to start throwing curses on God, just as Job's wife told him. In cases like that, you are to stick to what the Lord has said in His Word.
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Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:54 pm
specialkitty14 Now in the Bible it says to honor thy mother and father, but shouldn't I be able to break that if one of them is doing something that i know is wrong or just not right?
however, keep in mind that our parents are still learning, even as t hey are adults.
They are going to make mistakes, usually they even learn through us, their children, how to be better parents.
By no means am I telling you what to do, but if you would like to really know and feel at a bewilderment as far as this is concerned, it is very much something very important to God. That's why it's one of the top tne rules, afterall.
The true purpose for this commandment is to teach us, as they all are. All rules anywhere are meant for our benefit, to lead a better life of more tranquuility, safty, and inner-peace and security. It was originally meant that the relationship between the parents and child is to be harmoneous and balanced.
I know for sure that can seem hard to do, when you get short of something a parent foolishly does (trust me on that) but yelling or disrespecting them won't get you anywhere.
As it says in Proverbs 15:18 ''An enraged man stires up contention, but one that is slow to anger quiets down quarreling''.
This is important to learn, because it teaches us to be patient and to count to ten when we are angrered. Even if it's deliberate.
The fact of the matter is, we cannot control what our parents do or do not do, if they are not willing to see and understand what it is they do that is so disrespectful or vile.
But there is always hope through kindness and patience. So, though one is still the child, the child can still very much so teach the parents by becomming a leading example through these lessons, if they just take a step back from what they are reading in the Bible and be like ''well, this is why this is a good thing, rather than a rule...''
Take care...
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:38 pm
Foxprincess09 You don't understand he hasn't had a job for 10 yrs, and he always blame stuff on me he drinks and smokes and I am getting sick of it. He lies and steals my money and I have been pushed a little too far so don't I have the right to disobey him I mean I want to be good, but he should not call me every 5 seconds. That is why I hang out at my grandmas. It is the only place I can go because he has denied me freedom to see my friends because they are not black and sometimes he is just a complete racist and he told me not to get a white boyfriend or I was not going to prom so don't i have the right. I am suprised I haven't had a mental breakdown. My mom can't do anything she works ALL THE TIME! And there are other things he did that I just can't go into detail so if you want to know just PM me and I'll tell you. So, he basically: 1. Uses his knee surgery as an excuse to make you do things. 2. Lies. 3. Steals your money. 4. Denies you you're friends. 5. Is a complete racist. Here's what you do: 1. Tell him that if he wants something to get it himself. If he's really hurt enough so that he can't move, he won't get up to punish you. 2. What does he lie about? 3. Hide your money in a secret place, preferably one with a combination. 4. Go see your friends anyways. 5. He's a racist, and he won't let you go to the prom if you get a white boyfriend. If you like someone, then go for the relationship. He can't really enforce it if his knee is bad. Sorry for telling you to go against your parents, but if he's doing something wrong then you have to go against it. Ask your grandparents (or another adult that knows your dad) to talk to him and make him leave you alone. If none of those things work I suppose you could live with your grandparents.
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