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I need a presentation of how to make this all work, get together I'm making a sticky in the Ultimate VS Database for just this send PM's out to all the members in this guild so that we can help work on this we need to come up with something that will rock them and see if we can get the Mods to see it work.

Here's a few points that should be brought up when debating the mods:

-- The idiots cause destruction. Not the versus threads themselves.
-- Tabs should be kept on rowdy participants of versus threads, and if they recieve enough warnings, they should be banned (or temporarily banned) from the sub-forum.
-- A sub-forum is less likely to have rabid users.
-- New mods should be chosen for the sub-forum. Ones that are dedicated to versus threads.
-- Versus threads actually involve intelligent discussions, unlike almost all the threads in the A/M/C.
-- Removing versus threads is removing enjoyment from a large population of Gaia.

I have an interesting thought.
Gnome stated that we can as a Guild continue to Function, but the Rub of it is, How are we supposed to get ANY members within the Guild?
How does one find a VS thread Fan when VS threads are Illegal?

First thing I need is the main Sticky. This would have the Rules for the Sub-Forum as well as an intro to the Sub-Forum we also need a FAQ built. One of the rules I'm going to suggest is one against one sided VS Debates. As much as I loved the Goku can not Beat Superman thread it was one sided and caused a good number of Flame Wars since this is the main problem we are facing (it is constantly being thrown in our Faces by Morbid Gnome) we need to deal with it early on. If a VS debate is to exist it needs to follow a certain guideline:
1: The Thread Creator MUST show valid write ups for all combantants.
2: Cut and Paste Wikipedia posts are not allowed.
a) This was another problem Morbid Gnome used, the thread creator must show that some effort went into the thread.
b) Wikipedia is not always correct in thier information as well, it is ok to use it to gain some of the needed info but don't just cut and past the description and thing you have done something special.
3: Flaming others will not be tolerated, that also means if you are attacked don't return fire. First set the person on your ignore list then PM the Thread Creator first and have him set to ignore as well. If that does not work then REPORT the POST. If the Thread Creator is the problem REPORT the THREAD don't do anything just have the thread removed.
4: If a troll is in the thread do not attack them put them on Ignore, PM the thread Creator todo so as well. If that is not enough report the POST.
5: If the thread is being spammed, if no one has posted already to them then politely tell them to at least try to post something of value to the thread. If you see that someone has responded to the Spammer before you then delete your post. Do not Flame the n00b. If the spammer continues to spam then it becomes a trolling issue see the above rule #4.
6; Threads will tend to stray if it goes way off topic try to post something on topic to get people back on track. If you have found that you have gone way off topic be polite and delete your off topic posts. Clean up after yourselves so that Mods don't have to do it for us at the cost of our threads.

Anything I need to add here?

The main points we have to deal with is the following:
1: If it happens in the A/M/C the same exact thing will happen in the Sub-Forum.
My Answer: There will not be as many people posting in the Sub-Forums that post in the A/M/C. Most of the one post spam replies happen by people cruising the A/M/C. The ones that would go to a VS Forum will bne the ones for the most part the ones that like them.
2: If you take away all the crap VS threads there would be not enough left to make thier own Sub-Forum.
My Answer: The creation of a VS Sub-Forum allows for another Thread Type. Character Write Ups, these have been popular in several VS Guilds and would work well in the Sub-Forum. These write ups would allow for a good deal of discussion about characters in the Sub-Forum.
3: It will be impossible to Mod. Not enough people will care to help.
My Answer: With members of three + guilds helping out it would be alot easier than you think. Plus with work in the stickies educating posters on how to deal with Spam, Trolls, Flaming, and Off-Topic posting it would be easier to mod and viable.
4: The threads will turn into Troll bait.
My Answer: With the banning of One-Sided threads, Help with members reporting posts, threads and use of the ignore function as well as stikies in place educating posters on how to deal with Trolls and Flames. A good deal of that will go away.

Another point I would like to bring up is yes we may not be as familier with Modding a Forum, but we excel in how to make a VS Sub-Forum as we have done this with Guilds. This experience is useful in the building process, we have learned what works and what dosn't. You would also have several of us willing to keep track of things.

We need to address these and prove that each of these points would be unfounded.

Another thing that you should point out(IMO) is that the intelegent debaters who did things that annoyed the mods, like creating Fanboy trap threads and starting flame wars with spammers, will probably be extreemly careful not to do so again for fear of having vs. threads banned again. A stickey explaining the precarious position of the vs. threads, warning that they might easily be banned if not treated with caution, might be a good idea as well.

I will like an Update. Its a pain in the a** to find anything to debate about now that the Vs threads dont have a Home.