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Herr Kaiser Matthelm
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 3:24 pm


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 3:18 pm


Ok. I have a question. How do you do hammer ons and pull offs? I read a little about it, but its confusing. I also need help with the scales, minor and major. Please help me become a better bass player.

nat_natey


Chikiya

PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 11:04 am


I have a question. When I'm playing slap on the D or A string, my thumb always hits the string below and it rings. I've tried playing with my arm parallel to the string, which is what I was told I should do, but then I just miss the strings when I try to hit them, and the other strings ring anyway. The way I've been used to playing is with my hand at a right-angle or so to the string. Please please try and help.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:33 pm


nat_natey
Ok. I have a question. How do you do hammer ons and pull offs? I read a little about it, but its confusing. I also need help with the scales, minor and major. Please help me become a better bass player.


General description info on Hammer-on & Pull offs there: http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?page=1&t=4287869#72999773

Chikiya
I have a question. When I'm playing slap on the D or A string, my thumb always hits the string below and it rings. I've tried playing with my arm parallel to the string, which is what I was told I should do, but then I just miss the strings when I try to hit them, and the other strings ring anyway. The way I've been used to playing is with my hand at a right-angle or so to the string. Please please try and help.


I'm having trouble seeing exactly what your doing wrong, are you playing in the thumb up or thumb down position?

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:00 pm


Kyrenx
nat_natey
Ok. I have a question. How do you do hammer ons and pull offs? I read a little about it, but its confusing. I also need help with the scales, minor and major. Please help me become a better bass player.


General description info on Hammer-on & Pull offs there: http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?page=1&t=4287869#72999773

Chikiya
I have a question. When I'm playing slap on the D or A string, my thumb always hits the string below and it rings. I've tried playing with my arm parallel to the string, which is what I was told I should do, but then I just miss the strings when I try to hit them, and the other strings ring anyway. The way I've been used to playing is with my hand at a right-angle or so to the string. Please please try and help.


I'm having trouble seeing exactly what your doing wrong, are you playing in the thumb up or thumb down position?

I think what's happening is she is hitting the strings with a parralel thumb, and is accidentaly following through and nailing the other strings. Now, the way I slap involves following through, but I won't go into that here and just assume she is doing the traditional slap.

What you should try doing is a simple slap/pop exercise where you slap a dead note on the low E and then pop a dead note on the high G. Do this slowly and with control, make sure that your thumb is hitting the string and then pulling away and not following through to the other strings. Focus on your control and work on hitting what you need to be hitting and nothing else.
PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 5:06 am


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Kyrenx
nat_natey
Ok. I have a question. How do you do hammer ons and pull offs? I read a little about it, but its confusing. I also need help with the scales, minor and major. Please help me become a better bass player.


General description info on Hammer-on & Pull offs there: http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?page=1&t=4287869#72999773

Chikiya
I have a question. When I'm playing slap on the D or A string, my thumb always hits the string below and it rings. I've tried playing with my arm parallel to the string, which is what I was told I should do, but then I just miss the strings when I try to hit them, and the other strings ring anyway. The way I've been used to playing is with my hand at a right-angle or so to the string. Please please try and help.


I'm having trouble seeing exactly what your doing wrong, are you playing in the thumb up or thumb down position?

I think what's happening is she is hitting the strings with a parralel thumb, and is accidentaly following through and nailing the other strings. Now, the way I slap involves following through, but I won't go into that here and just assume she is doing the traditional slap.

What you should try doing is a simple slap/pop exercise where you slap a dead note on the low E and then pop a dead note on the high G. Do this slowly and with control, make sure that your thumb is hitting the string and then pulling away and not following through to the other strings. Focus on your control and work on hitting what you need to be hitting and nothing else.
Thank you

Chikiya


Scijad

PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 4:34 pm


If you wanted a song to practice slapping to I'd suggest learning the intro to Reel Big Fish's "skatanic". the last bit of the riff might be a little difficult but the fingering is easy enough... first song I learned to slap.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 6:20 pm


Okay, so I don't know if this really fits under here and all that, but oh well.

I am very much a beginner, and I use my fingers and I don't want to use a pick as I think it limits my options and makes a rattling noise live.

Anyhoo, the problem is, I bump other strings when I'm playing. So say I'm playing on A string, I'll hold the E string up with another finger to keep it out of my way, but somehow I'm still bumping other strings! And it pisses me off.

Any suggestions on how I can stop this?

rhododendrons


Super Panda454

PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 4:24 am


xVaguex
Okay, so I don't know if this really fits under here and all that, but oh well.

I am very much a beginner, and I use my fingers and I don't want to use a pick as I think it limits my options and makes a rattling noise live.

Anyhoo, the problem is, I bump other strings when I'm playing. So say I'm playing on A string, I'll hold the E string up with another finger to keep it out of my way, but somehow I'm still bumping other strings! And it pisses me off.

Any suggestions on how I can stop this?

Not a hundred persent sure how you are plucking your strings, but I going to asume, and then suggust that you try resting your thumb on the pick up and pluck with your index finger and your middle finger.
Also if you don't want a string to sound you can just put your finger over it and mute it, rather than holding it out of the way. May I suggest getting a good "learn to play bass" book and DVD set. Im using the Learn to play Bass in the progressive series.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 10:02 pm


Super Panda
Not a hundred persent sure how you are plucking your strings, but I going to asume, and then suggust that you try resting your thumb on the pick up and pluck with your index finger and your middle finger.
Also if you don't want a string to sound you can just put your finger over it and mute it, rather than holding it out of the way. May I suggest getting a good "learn to play bass" book and DVD set. Im using the Learn to play Bass in the progressive series.


Cheers.

rhododendrons


Escaflowne_11

PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:17 pm


xVaguex
Okay, so I don't know if this really fits under here and all that, but oh well.

I am very much a beginner, and I use my fingers and I don't want to use a pick as I think it limits my options and makes a rattling noise live.

Anyhoo, the problem is, I bump other strings when I'm playing. So say I'm playing on A string, I'll hold the E string up with another finger to keep it out of my way, but somehow I'm still bumping other strings! And it pisses me off.

Any suggestions on how I can stop this?


This is a common problem I find with my students. Its all a matter of getting used to the instrument and feeling the distances and locations of the strings. My best advice at this point is to only use your index and middle finger alternating every note when you play. If you learn a scale, play each note ascending and decending 8 plucks a note, using the alternating back and forth. When you go up and come back down do it again with only 4 plucks a note. Then go 2, then run the scale still alternating fingers. Ill give some scales lower down, because someone else asked about it...

nat_natey
Ok. I have a question. How do you do hammer ons and pull offs? I read a little about it, but its confusing. I also need help with the scales, minor and major. Please help me become a better bass player.


I didnt look at the article about hammer ons and pull offs myself yet, because I already know how to do them razz Ill suspect that it explains it just fine. As for minor and major scales, Ill make an image to explain this. When it comes to a minor and major scale, there are 8 notes in the scale. Each one numbered from 1-8. Below I made examples for you to follow along with. I have 3 scales here you can get started on for basic jazz theory. If you learn these, you can get along any high school jazz program with ease.

I'm using my model bass banez BtB in my examples. I freaking love my bass!!!

First Ill show you the B flat Major scale.
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Take special note that in a major scale the most important notes you should remember is that there is the major 3rd and a major 7th.

Next is the B flat Minor Scale.
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Now note that there is a minor 3rd, and a minor 7th in this scale.

Next is the B flat Dominant 7th Scale
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This scale has a minor 7th and a major 3rd. It can be called other things in different situations, but if your aiming for jazz theory, its gonna be called the dominant scale.

If you were confused about any of the major/minor stuff, I also made a chromatic scale. This is also important to know because it runs all the notes of the bass in one scale.
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I could go on if you ask, but that should answer all the questions. There are also several other minor scales, and modes that I can explain, but this should be just perfect for the aspiring jazz artist.

These scales are PRICELESS if you know them. It will make all kinds of music simple to learn, and easy to play. If you also know what scales are being used in your songs, you can solo over them a lot easier.

(I ALMOST FORGOT)
In my chromatic scale example I used the terms Aug and Dim. Those stand for Augmented and Diminished. Basically with a 4th or a 6th there is no real sharp or flat. You CAN call them a Sharp 4th instead of an Aug4 or a flat 6 instead of a Dim6, but its better to use the terms properly, and learn as much about the terminology as you can.

I also showed on the Chromatic scale that the 8 is also a 1, because that is the octave (octa=8 you know razz ) So if you were to continue the scale you would go to a 9(2), 10(3), 11(Flt3), 12(3) ect. You will usually see a flat 9 or a sharp 11 added to a set of changes in music, and it only means that the scale going up the first octave would remain as it says, and beyond that it would be recommended to use the modification to add more taste. Its all optional though.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 5:25 pm


Ok to me more specific I want to learn more on Jazz, and rock. Also, hammer ons, pulls off, ect.

nat_natey


Escaflowne_11

PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 7:05 am


nat_natey
Ok to me more specific I want to learn more on Jazz, and rock. Also, hammer ons, pulls off, ect.


Read more around this section of forums. I am pretty sure that all of these have their own topic, or have been touched on other topics...
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 5:27 pm


nat_natey
Ok to me more specific I want to learn more on Jazz, and rock. Also, hammer ons, pulls off, ect.

Well, as far as styles go, all i can say is this:
For jazz, swing the notes. meaning, instead of going straight quarter notes, try doing a quarternote tied to an eight note, in other words a dotted quarternote. If you're not a music reader, here's an even more basic explanation:
start by counting 1,2,3,4 and repeating it. Every four counts is one measure in common time. If you hold a note for exactly one count, it is a quarternote, because it takes up one quarter of a measure. Half notes are two counts, whole notes are 4. Also, written music uses dotted half notes, which are 3 counts. This is because the dot adds one half of the original value of the note. So, since 2+1=3, a dotted half note is 3 counts. Once you have it timed evenly, start adding notes directly in between every number, so you are counting a total of 8 notes. These, as you may have guessed, are eighth notes. If you are saying the counts aloud, say "and" between each number. If it is written out, it will look something like this: 1+2+3+4+
Now, once this is down, which shouldn't be hard, start making every other note a dotted quarter note, and all the others 8th notes. This will look something like this:
1 2+3 4+
Of course, the 2nd and 4th counts will not be fingered, since they are being played as a part of the dotted quarter note, which is the length of both a quarter note and an eight note (essentially, a 3/16 note).
Now, in alot of jazz, not all notes are played in the above structure. Some notes are held longer, but I think you get the basic concept of swing.
Also, when it comes to actually making different notes, just learn your scales, and then play around in them depending on what key you are in.
Also, try playing in other time signatures, such as 3/4 which has three quarternotes per measure, 5/4 or 6/4, which have 5 and 6 counts of four per measure respectivley, or you can go into doubletime (6/8, 10/8, 12/8 etc. This can be used for more skewed time signatures, such as 11/8 that cannot be done properly otherwise. For an example of 11/8 time, check out Primus's song Eleven, which is one repeated measure throughout.

As for rock, it's much simpler.
All the same rules apply when it comes to theory and staying in key, but swing is not taken into consideration. Rock is often in 4/4 time, otherwise known as common time.

If there's anything else that needs explaining, I'd be happy to help.

unintentional poet
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Escaflowne_11

PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 12:21 am


unintentional poet
nat_natey
Ok to me more specific I want to learn more on Jazz, and rock. Also, hammer ons, pulls off, ect.

Well, as far as styles go, all i can say is this:
For jazz, swing the notes. meaning, instead of going straight quarter notes, try doing a quarternote tied to an eight note, in other words a dotted quarternote. If you're not a music reader, here's an even more basic explanation:
start by counting 1,2,3,4 and repeating it. Every four counts is one measure in common time. If you hold a note for exactly one count, it is a quarternote, because it takes up one quarter of a measure. Half notes are two counts, whole notes are 4. Also, written music uses dotted half notes, which are 3 counts. This is because the dot adds one half of the original value of the note. So, since 2+1=3, a dotted half note is 3 counts. Once you have it timed evenly, start adding notes directly in between every number, so you are counting a total of 8 notes. These, as you may have guessed, are eighth notes. If you are saying the counts aloud, say "and" between each number. If it is written out, it will look something like this: 1+2+3+4+
Now, once this is down, which shouldn't be hard, start making every other note a dotted quarter note, and all the others 8th notes. This will look something like this:
1 2+3 4+
Of course, the 2nd and 4th counts will not be fingered, since they are being played as a part of the dotted quarter note, which is the length of both a quarter note and an eight note (essentially, a 3/16 note).
Now, in alot of jazz, not all notes are played in the above structure. Some notes are held longer, but I think you get the basic concept of swing.
Also, when it comes to actually making different notes, just learn your scales, and then play around in them depending on what key you are in.
Also, try playing in other time signatures, such as 3/4 which has three quarternotes per measure, 5/4 or 6/4, which have 5 and 6 counts of four per measure respectivley, or you can go into doubletime (6/8, 10/8, 12/8 etc. This can be used for more skewed time signatures, such as 11/8 that cannot be done properly otherwise. For an example of 11/8 time, check out Primus's song Eleven, which is one repeated measure throughout.

As for rock, it's much simpler.
All the same rules apply when it comes to theory and staying in key, but swing is not taken into consideration. Rock is often in 4/4 time, otherwise known as common time.

If there's anything else that needs explaining, I'd be happy to help.


Its kinda hard to get someone to understand note values without a visual. And when a note is dotted it doesn't mean its 3 beats. A dot after a note means add half the value of that note on to the end of it. So if you have a dotted whole note, it would be 6 beats. If you have a dotted eight, you would add a 16th beat to the end.

I think Ill give a tutorial on reading music when I have some time though. It would be helpful for everyone to read. Just remember, it only helps to know how to read music. It adds a completely new medium for musicians to work with. Its only helpful to know, but not needed!
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